Paragliding @ Tayport Layby Oct 19th

Paragliding @ Tayport Layby/field Oct 19th, Ian & Murray

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Sports

Tags:

• PG
• Precision
• Paragliding
• ESP
• ESPclub
• Scotland
• NOT
• bhpa

[murrayhay]

Death/Serious Injury is 'natures' (Physics) way of telling paraglider pilots it's 20 years past the time they should have stopped funding a bunch of incompetents that make up the BHPA!

I can't help wondering if it wasn't for the considerable sums of money involved, year in year out, (and liablity issues from the last 20 years!) if the BHPA WOULD be prepared to slash their accident rates?

[murrayhay]

Eh NO! The BHPA (a Limited Company you choose to fund) did not 'claim' rather they STATED that they had had seven members die in 2009!

Note: The AAIB in fact does NOT put out information about all PG deaths, rather as you correctly stated they issue (in their name, but often have nothing to do with the 'report') on REPORTED deaths (hence not the un-reported deaths)

The last 20 years have CLEARLY shown the BHPA Ltd have no intention of cutting out INSTRUCTION accidents, injuries & deaths!

[paraglenner]

@murrayhay the thing is Murray, if YOU make a claim then YOU should back it up with facts. The 3 incidents that I highlighted didn't cost a penny to find out about. If YOU know that there were seven incidents involving BHPA members as you claim then I am sure you could get the details as easily as the 3 that I have mentioned.

After all the AAIB puts out information about reported incidents to try and reduce them and improve practice of all aircraft operators.

[murrayhay]

PS I see they have just had another (HG) death... I've had BHPA HG pilots come out with me in the past for re-training... And based on what I observed/was told by them, the HG training is almost as bad (poor standards) as BHPA PG training.... One HG pilot who stood out as VERY shocked as to how dangerous his 'BHPA turns' were could not believe (on re-viewing the pics shot from above his wing) just how CLOSE he was to spinning (asymmetric stall) on EVERY turn as clearly indicated on top surface!

[murrayhay]

Scot Mathers/paraglenner I'm sure being judged by you as only 'alleged deaths' will be of ZERO comfort to the bereaved families..... Tragic, clearly, but inevitable... clearly YES! As long as those like you CHOOSE to fund the BHPA Ltd. (assets approx £500,000, turnover P/A similar.. turnover of members 33% every 2 yrs... mainly due to the accident, injury & death rates...)

As I've pointed out any of those that FUND the BHPA can simply ask them 'How many died' you MAY even get an honest answer!

[paraglenner]

@murrayhay still no word back from you about these alleged 7 incidents in 2009.

There were 2 at Long Mynd mid air collision, subsequent deaths from sustained injuries.

1 at Corndon pilot lost control of glider, death from injuries sustained.

Awaith the details of the 4 other tragic incidents.

[paraglenner]

@murrayhay No body is asking you launch an enquiry let alone spend your cash.

Dates and locations would suffice, links to media reports would help I am sure.

Have a nice days flying

[murrayhay]

Also don't forget as I do NOT find it either Legally or Morally acceptable to fund those that CHOOSE to Injure & Kill UK PG pilots I'm NOT a member of the BHPA.... of course even BHPA members HAVE to PAY the BHPA if they wish copies of the information you asked me to provide FOC to you!

A couple of things have been made VERY clear over the last 20 years: 1st the BHPA keeps REDUCING training requirements! (i.e. TWENTY Min Airtime CP rated 'pilots'!) The BHPA WILL maintain their accident rates!

[murrayhay]

Hi Scott, lucky sheep away on their hols till April ;-)

I could of (as YOU could also do...) course PAY the BHPA several hundred pounds to get SOME of that information..... However in aviation most (i.e. the ones involving flying rather than say a prop strike while taxing) FAI's to be complete would require all the relevant Aviation MET reports, which as I previously mentioned currently cost over £400 to obtain the MET Office used to provide me copies, with the added assistance of the RAF) FOC

[paraglenner]

@murrayhay so you cannot even provide dates and location of these incidents that led to the death of BHPA members while paragliding?

For your info the sheep are currently elsewhere 'till April.