rant II

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE

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• anarchy
• anarchism
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• statism
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• inflation

[HOLLNAIER]

You are right...I'm struggeling to get away from my Christian/Calvanist upbringing causing a breakdown in logic!

[HOLLNAIER]

I do agree with your position of private property...I've never heard of this Rothbardien fella but will look him up - thanks for the responses!

[HOLLNAIER]

Ok - I've been tag-teamed by Hitler and Einstein! I give up!

[billyjoeallen]

You are using the word "ethical" in a different manner than I am. You are saying that no society conforms to YOUR ethics. FWIW, noe conform to mine, either, but that doesn't mean they are not ethical. The relevant question is whether a society conforms to its own ethics and whether or not those ethics are valid.

[billyjoeallen]

Obviously private property is defended by violence from violent threats. It's a violent world and nothing can change than. We can reduce the violence by adopting the Non-Aggression Principle. Violence only is acceptable in self-defense (which includes property) and only proportional to the threat. You may think this is not a valid position if you do not understand the Rothbardian definition of property. Legit private property has to meet some strict qualifications.

[billyjoeallen]

Being a good Samaritan is optional, not required. If you want to take your ridiculous hypothetical to it's ridiculous extreme, what if the drowning baby is the next Hitler? What if the rape you prevented would have resulted in the next Einstein being born? Private property is not man-made law. It is Natural Law. Philosophers from Locke to Rothbard agree on that.

[HOLLNAIER]

Recognition/Respect for priv.prop is enforced by violence (State against the offendor/Owner against the offendor)not ethics,fear of consq. Minding your own business is not ethical if a woman is being raped or a child is drowning so may be amoral depndng on circumstance. Private property is a man-made law so how invalid? Again not sure what a natural law/right is except that the strongest is in charge...Agree no social contract needed...but rule by force

[HOLLNAIER]

I don't know of ANY 'Ethical' society.Pragmatic (mainly aproving-defn.) is introducing democracy & inconsistent. Not sure what a 'Universal Rule' is except that the strongest will rule/survive (rule by force/violence which i think is a natural law)Ethics(right conduct) i believe to be universal and SHOULD be the basis for Law (enforced by consequence-read violence)Outlawing 'drugs' is correct to protect children but not to criminalize adults-we need to distinguish.

[Sepero1]

It may be reasonable to base ethics on science, but I think that leads people to the misconception of the reverse- that you can derive science from ethics. Which is not true.

Going from science-to-ethics-to-law is an extra complication that is unnecessary, and is open to abuse by the religious.

So it is my belief that we should skip ethics, and go straight from scientific reasoning.

[billyjoeallen]

You are referring to Natural Law theory. Natural Law is what Rothbard's Ethics of Liberty are based on. I guess it would be more proper to say that valid economic theory and valid ethics have a common basis (natural law).