Deregulation Debunked (Apple Inc & Foxconn - Apple Workers threaten Suicide?)

*SEE SPECIAL NOTE BELOW*

Debunking those who claim we should have deregulation and rely entirely on a free market.

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SPECIAL NOTE: I've reached he point where responding to comments in this video is becoming too time consuming. So for the naysayers I'm putting this message here.

If you do a fallacy, I'm no longer responding. If you show a fundamental desire to misrepresent economic theory, tax code, statistics, law, what constitutes our government, our political process, our media etc - I'm not responding.

If you do one-step-removed thinking where you don't take potential secondary, tertiary (ad infinitude) considerations & costs into consideration I'm not responding.

So far this seems to be the bulk of the responses I'm getting from the variety of propertarians and Republicans I've been getting in comments and I'm tired of repeating myself.

When I have to start naming specific fallacies you're committing it's just dull philo-101 teaching work for me.

I will respond still to anyone who seems to be genuinely interested in debate or discussion. But For now - that's it.
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2010 NYTimes article on Foxconn in China
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/business/ieconomy-apples-ipad-and-the-human...

2012 Article on Foxconn & worker abuse
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/weekinreview/20barboza.html

Foxbusiness commentary
http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2012/01/27/apple-hits-back-after-new-yo...

http://www.scotsman.com/business/technology/samsung_rings_up_record_profits_b...

http://www.mobiledia.com/news/125887.html
Petition

http://www.change.org/petitions/apple-ceo-tim-cook-protect-workers-making-iph...

An article that mentions how China uses its citizens to bail out banks & corporate messes regularly.

Bailout - hmm... where have I heard that before? Oh yes! George Bush initiated the first huge bailout here in America.

A Republican.

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-explosive-debt-growth-cant-continue-muc...

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[Derekrife1]

@57worldwide Like Pooka said, the reason they produced overseas was to "maximize profits." I find nothing wrong with that, but when maximizing the profits of individuals at the cost of human dignity obviously something is very wrong.

2. And? That's hardly an argument.

3. That's a nice rational argument, but it's hardly an Evidence based one. There's a reason why manufacturing still exists in America, and that's because it's still profitable, albeit not as much when you "maximize profits."

[57worldwide]

@Derekrife1 Okay, first of all, Apple said something that sounded good in response to criticism of how their products are manufactured, and you didn't stop to question "Why were they being produced overseas in the first place if they could really produce them here?"

Secondly, Apple cutting it's profits by selling domestically produced iPhones would be "changing their business model".

Thirdly, it's not just cost of labour that influences the production cost - there is also tax, regulations, etc.

[Derekrife1]

@57worldwide 1st, the phones will only costs that much money to produce domestically when you manufacture them by hand with 1000s of workers, but an engineer operating an assembly line can produce even more. Apple said this their press release in response to the scandal.

2nd, if you think apple wouldn't cut it's profits selling domestically produced iphones, you're crazy. Apple is ran by businessmen and even they realize that some profit than no sales.

[57worldwide]

@Derekrife1 It's not just cheap iPhones. If we are going to criticise Apple for contracting out to other companies who will sub contract out to sweatshop condition East Asian factories, we should realistically criticise all phone manufacturers (and then all electronics manufacturers) for doing similar.

It's also Samsung (and others, of course) who do the same thing, it's not just production of high-end smartphones where worker's rights are overlooked or neglected. It's also "them, not us".

[57worldwide]

@TheTruePooka I think they would need to change their business model if they were to do the 'good' thing. It's partially on us, to stop buying the products that we know are cheap because someone along the chain of production has missed out. (I watched 'the story of stuff' on YouTube, a few days ago. It was also good.)

It sucks for the consumer because there isn't always an alternative. I haven't heard of fair trade electronics.

[Derekrife1]

@57worldwide Hmm, balancing options...

Giving Chinese workers the right to work and live with some scrap of dignity, or cheap iPhones?

Truly a dilemma.