Hawker vs Richthofen "Von Richthofen & Brown"

Errors in this clip:

Lanoe Hawker was flying a pusher-type
DH-2 not an S.E.5a when downed by Richthofen, who was himself flying an Albatros D.II, not the Fokker D.VII he's seen climbing into at the start of the mission.

In the close-ups of Richthofen during the fight it can be seen that he's in the Pfalz used in the film's beginning: Notice that the Fokker's fuselage crosses are only bordered in white while the Pfalz's are in large white squares.

Continuity error:

After both planes come out of the loop, Hawker appears to wave to someone on his left (intended to be Richthofen) - but at that moment Richthofen's plane is on Hawker's right, and Richthofen is shown (correctly) looking to HIS left at Hawker's plane. Only these two men -both killed in the war- could say whether a friendly wave was ever given. Richthofen, on principle, would never have entered a loop chasing Hawker - much less alongside him as seen here. In so doing he almost passes Hawker. Only the fact that Hawker's loop is tighter saves Richthofen from coming out ahead -and in front of- Hawker. Pilots very much wanted to avoid getting IN FRONT of their opponents. But hey, a loop looks nice, right? In fact Richthofen's combat report describes both planes in a turning descent to the ground, each trying to get on the other's tail. Power is at a premium with these early planes and every maneuver like a loop saps kinetic energy which is hard to regain.

Hawker seems to be flying like it's a lazy Sunday afternoon...That's Hollywood.

After Hawker's plane is shot down, the fictional "Göring" flying near Richthofen seems to calmly acknowledge(?) the kill by a wave to Richthofen, yet.... After landing, Richthofen is furiously blamed by the fictitious "Göring" for causing Boelcke's death (in the mid-air collision).

Category:

Film & Animation

Tags:

• lanoe
• hawker
• red
• baron
• richthofen
• ww1
• fokker
• se5a

[Quercusalba2]

Geez,that is bad !

First of all,Boelcke's death and Richthofen's downing of Hawker didn't happen in the same fight,they were completely different events.Second,richthofen had nothing to do with Boelcke's death.Boelcke collided with Erwin Bohme while they were both attacking the same enemy plane.Third,Boelcke was flying an Albatros DII when he was killed,not a Fokker DVII.Forth,Richthofen was also flying an Albatros DII when he shot down Hawker and Hawker was fly a DH2,not an SE5.

[nolhrt]

I have a particular interest in this film because as a kid I saw it being made. Every day there would be formations of German and British biplanes overhead and on one particular occasion. Two came down and duelled very low to the ground near my house. It still remains one of the most exciting things I ever saw.

[dragcity1986]

se 5's were used as british planes because they were easier to fly than most of the others.

[Olli120]

Really Exellent flying by these Stuntman who´d flown these Planes in the Film

[salexlindsay]

The flying scenes in this film have an obvious advantage over many other aviation films- hardly any back projection or blue screen is used in the close ups of the pilots, you can clearly see that they are actually flying 1000s of feet in the sky. This was not the case in Blue Max, Battle of Britain or even more recently the dreadful Flyboys- in these latter examples you could clearly see that the closeups of the actors in the cockpit were filmed in a studio. But not in Von Richthofen and Brown.

[Humbertusmarius]

Aren't the planes in this combat the wrong ones?

[PoliticalssIdiot]

Possibly the two best planes of the war.

[Thumper761976]

Another thing wrong in the clip: Boelcke was not killed like that. He collided with his wingman, fighting 2-1. And it was his wingspar that got cut, causing his top wing along with his ailerons to separate from the rest of the plane. Not cuz his rudder got somewhat hit by a landinggear. BTW that wud not have caused the plane to go down like that... It wud still be flyable. Im a pilot myself, i know what i talk about. Nice video btw, thanx. 8-)

[locma]

nice video, but in the true history richthofen wasnt the guilty of the bolke´s crash ( sorry my very bad english)

[MasterShake54]

Truely Amazing, though it doesn't look as real as howard hughes' version.