Naomi Wolf Waves of Feminism

We ask Naomi Wolf about coining the term Third Wave feminism and how useful it is to think in terms of waves. This is part of an exclusive talk for the Wheeler Centre.

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[BoggiD101]

@victorsvoice Men are also harmed by being expected to conform to shallow ideals, like the macho asshole in media, and men who don't conform to that are "gay". etc. etc.

The feminists I have heard from (like Laci Green who is here on YouTube), addresses problems to both sexes, and so do masculinists, like the author of Manhood, who argues how the patriarchy is extremely harmful to men as well.

[BoggiD101]

@victorsvoice Also, we live in a culture that teaches women to be shallow, selfish, cater to a shallow idea of beauty, and to be manipulative of men, and that dumbs women down and prevents them from truly taking responsibility and being functional and full human beings. Mary Wollstonecraft observed this 3 centuries ago in Vindication for the Rights of Women. Then, men like Shopenhauer would observe all this as "natural".

[BoggiD101]

@victorsvoice Like, for instance, most female privilege comes from a cognitive dissonance in our Western culture. On one side there are new challenging ideas of women's power and possibilities and independence, but on the other the old ideas like women being delicate and chivalry persist. I'm very much against female privilege, because it is counterproductive to truly empowering women, and it is just another manifestation of how persistent the idea of women's inferiority is.

[BoggiD101]

@victorsvoice No, he was referring to something else entirely, directly saying that women's tampons and menstrual pads polluted landfills.

Regardless, I do agree that there are many injustices both men and women face, but his response to all of this is too one-dimensional. There are many causes to those injustices.

[victorsvoice]

@BoggiD101 Menstrual blood pollutes the enviroment? I think you're referring to how he talked about how women consumed a lot of stuff (cremes, make-up, etc.). Don't be silly. or maybe you've genuinely misunderstood the content. With all due respect, the only thing that's medieval horseshit here is your understanding of the points made in the movie.

[victorsvoice]

@BoggiD101 Meh, I think that he can probably change more minds by promoting his website and focusing on making good documentaries then living in a tent amongst thousands of others.

I disagree with you however on your comments about a gender war. It's a sad state of affairs, but there very much is one. Women and men are often in direct competition with eachother for college courses spots (anti-male AA), jobs, custody of children, etc. Although I do understand what you're trying to say.

[BoggiD101]

@victorsvoice There never was a gender war. Women sharing the same jobs as men and happening to compete with them is not a gender war. It's business.

He brings up good points of unpublicized injustices against men, yes. But far too often he reinforces the archaic and damaging stereotypes that cause those injustices (to both men and women) in the first place.

If manwomanmyth was a rebel and a truther, he would occupy Wall Street.

[BoggiD101]

@victorsvoice Why? So manwomanmyth can attack a demented caricature of women? How can anyone take him seriously when he says such ridiculous things like if firefighters were all women they would paint their firetrucks pink? Or that education was dumbed down specifically to appeal to women (because everyone knows how stupid women are, right?)? He even implies in one video that menstrual blood pollutes the environment, such medieval horseshit.

[victorsvoice]

Google manwomanmyth everyone. Watch all the videos in the right order on the video page. Take no video in isolation. See them all as one and give them a chance.

Say no to the gender war!