Carl Sagan On God and Creation
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@Chrisjseattle1 Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
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@1tabligh Yet your religion and many others have people on their knees not looking for answers. Its one thing to use logic to determine the probabitity of a god and another to assert that your religion is the right one. Explain the logic of your specific god only revealing himself to a very small select population. A religious person calling me a fanatic now thats pathetic. Obviously your own ego and hubris dont allow you to even look at a question from a different point of view.
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@Chrisjseattle1 The atheist Delusion!
Your delusion that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your delusion is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
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@Chrisjseattle1 Now, too, in the age of science and technology, when man has found his way into space, a considerable number of scientists have a religious outlook as part of the intellectual system; they have come to believe in the existence of a creator, a source for all beings, not only by means of the heart and the conscience, but also through deduction and logic.
Your Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery does NOT at all help cure your delusions!
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@1tabligh Well if your going to use passages in a archaic text there isnt much else to talk about. There is no modern science in the torah, quran or bible or any other religous text i have found. If you can show me one text specifically describing nuclear fusion or explaining the properties of a photon with a numerical reference to the speed of light by all means let me know. Otherwise have a good day and realize I simply don't believe religion is useful in the modern world.
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@Chrisjseattle1 "Do they imagine that they've been created without any cause, or do they suppose that they are their own creators?" The Quran (52:36) "Have they created the heavens and the earth ? They have no certain belief in what they say" (52:37) Do they have a Lord other than God? No, it is not so; God is exalted above the partners they ascribe to him." (52:43) "Glorified be He in Whose hand is all sovereignty and Who has power over all things." (67:1)
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@Chrisjseattle1 From a scientific point of view, the self-origination of matter is impossible; the theory that the material world is constantly evolving and advancing toward higher states is clearly contradictory to scientific data and the realities of nature. All development and motion in the mineral realm is due either to the intervention of a will external to matter or to attraction, interchange, and compounding with other bodies.
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@1tabligh Im not sure i understand what you mean. Wouldn't that be two seperate beings? Your saying that you believe the creator of the universe also created a copy of himself on the level of man?
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@Chrisjseattle1 His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
If in the course of developing the argument of the orderliness of the universe we attempt to prove the existence of a maker similar to the human maker, the divine maker will, in reality, also be a created being on the level of man; proving the existence of such a maker is an entirely different matter from proving the existence of the Maker and Creator of all being.
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@1tabligh Since your god didn't have a cause he doesn't follow the rule you stated that everything in this universe has a cause. So your god couldn't exist in this universe and is unknowable to anything within the universe. Im sure people will say well god can do anything but to me that's nonsense. If god existed why didnt didnt he send the same holy text to all the people of the earth at the same time. Abrahamic religions cant even get along or agree on the nature of a god.
"Science is a philosophy of discovery, religion is a philosophy of ignorance."
- Neil deGrasse Tyson
When people don't know the answers to questions, they start filling in the gaps with God(s). Even the greatest philosophers and scientist have done so throughout history.
yllierutube 3 weeks ago 6
@FanServiceGod with all the possibilities that exist, I ask "why not?"
TheJohnnapiranha 1 week ago