@Ronin2006x That´s because , before , much before the oficial indo-european migrations from east to West , there was a (West to East ) Hispania-India migration .
@bostafffighter How is it possible ? Portugal ,... Lusitânia and Ibéria are very ancestral territories where a lot of cultures in the East came from ... before the official indoeuropean migration from East to West (Hispânia) there was a HispaniardIndo migration form West(Hispânia) to East .It sis very funny to know thar there are cultures in ÍNdia that have knowledge of their ancestral forfathers coming from Hispânia (Lusitânia and Ibéria )
There is no discussion and no comparisons about/with LUTA-DO-PAU . It is Portuguese , and it is CHAMPION amongst all the worl Stick Fighting martial arts .You name it . Japonese , chinese , whatever ... The last championship between all these world stick fighting martial art techniches , happenend in France , in which , Portugueses Luta-do-Pau warriors won ALL combats against all the othe techniches .And That's That !
O Jogo do pau é único! Pode parecer “isto” ou “aquilo” e ate ter técnicas em comum com outras artes marciais mas isso é pura coincidência. O jogo do pau tem centenas, talvez milhares de anos e tudo o que se sabe é que terá nascido nas aldeias do interior de Portugal num tempo em que o mundo era grande demais para ser percorrido...
@bostafffighter yes, spinning or turning moves are described in the fechtbuchs. You can see them described in Gründtliche Beschreibung des Fechten by Joachim Meyer, Flos Duelletorum by Fiore and others. But most pertinently, they are described in a Treatise on Montante, Memorial da Practtica do Montante. Montante is the Longsword art from which Jogo Do Pau draws much of its inspiration.
@temmy9 But you do have a point they may have evolved parallel as silambam also evolved among the rural nomadic shepherds and narikuravars. It is not possible that jogo do pau contributed to silambam as Silambam is found in diverse areas of tamil nadu and the neighbouring states and the technique of silambam is far too numberous and well organized to say it as a derivative.
@temmy9 I watched many renaissance longsword, poleaxe, staff and I agree that there are lot of their elements in jogo do pau. But,a big but is no western art uses turning(the body) and hit and turning and jumping and hit these are unique to silambam in fact the art's key feature, it uses it more often than other eastern stick fights and it is also similarly found in jogo do pau.How is it possible?.Tell me any western weapon art that uses turning the body and striking.
@bostafffighter The book is "A ARTE DE BEM CAVALGAR TODA A SELA" From "EL REI D. DUARTE" (1391-1438). In this book you can find what i am trying to explain you.
@Ronin2006x Two hand fencing is done with long sword. do you think this is how they would have fought with swords. This is stick fighting not sword fighting a weighty long sword cannot be handled this way.Please refer the old two hand fencing manuals and please watch "indian stick fighting" in youtube the full video.
@Ronin2006x That´s because , before , much before the oficial indo-european migrations from east to West , there was a (West to East ) Hispania-India migration .
Anglosaxoesdatreta 4 months ago
@bostafffighter How is it possible ? Portugal ,... Lusitânia and Ibéria are very ancestral territories where a lot of cultures in the East came from ... before the official indoeuropean migration from East to West (Hispânia) there was a HispaniardIndo migration form West(Hispânia) to East .It sis very funny to know thar there are cultures in ÍNdia that have knowledge of their ancestral forfathers coming from Hispânia (Lusitânia and Ibéria )
Anglosaxoesdatreta 6 months ago
There is no discussion and no comparisons about/with LUTA-DO-PAU . It is Portuguese , and it is CHAMPION amongst all the worl Stick Fighting martial arts .You name it . Japonese , chinese , whatever ... The last championship between all these world stick fighting martial art techniches , happenend in France , in which , Portugueses Luta-do-Pau warriors won ALL combats against all the othe techniches .And That's That !
Anglosaxoesdatreta 6 months ago
O Jogo do pau é único! Pode parecer “isto” ou “aquilo” e ate ter técnicas em comum com outras artes marciais mas isso é pura coincidência. O jogo do pau tem centenas, talvez milhares de anos e tudo o que se sabe é que terá nascido nas aldeias do interior de Portugal num tempo em que o mundo era grande demais para ser percorrido...
joaozoelae 8 months ago
@bostafffighter yes, spinning or turning moves are described in the fechtbuchs. You can see them described in Gründtliche Beschreibung des Fechten by Joachim Meyer, Flos Duelletorum by Fiore and others. But most pertinently, they are described in a Treatise on Montante, Memorial da Practtica do Montante. Montante is the Longsword art from which Jogo Do Pau draws much of its inspiration.
temmy9 10 months ago
@temmy9 But you do have a point they may have evolved parallel as silambam also evolved among the rural nomadic shepherds and narikuravars. It is not possible that jogo do pau contributed to silambam as Silambam is found in diverse areas of tamil nadu and the neighbouring states and the technique of silambam is far too numberous and well organized to say it as a derivative.
bostafffighter 10 months ago
@temmy9 I watched many renaissance longsword, poleaxe, staff and I agree that there are lot of their elements in jogo do pau. But,a big but is no western art uses turning(the body) and hit and turning and jumping and hit these are unique to silambam in fact the art's key feature, it uses it more often than other eastern stick fights and it is also similarly found in jogo do pau.How is it possible?.Tell me any western weapon art that uses turning the body and striking.
bostafffighter 10 months ago
@bostafffighter Yes, it is similar. JDP is descended from Rural stick fighting arts that themselves evolved out of longsword techniques
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This is medieval german peasant staff, descended from german longsword waaay before any european set foot in India
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If it looks similar to silambam its because there are only so many ways to use a stick
temmy9 10 months ago
@bostafffighter The book is "A ARTE DE BEM CAVALGAR TODA A SELA" From "EL REI D. DUARTE" (1391-1438). In this book you can find what i am trying to explain you.
Ronin2006x 11 months ago
@Ronin2006x Two hand fencing is done with long sword. do you think this is how they would have fought with swords. This is stick fighting not sword fighting a weighty long sword cannot be handled this way.Please refer the old two hand fencing manuals and please watch "indian stick fighting" in youtube the full video.
bostafffighter 11 months ago