thoughts on omniscience (and determinism vs free will)

http://calenfretts.com/2011/03/28/thoughts-on-omniscience-and-determinism-vs-...

Determinism vs Free Will, Calvinism vs Arminianism -- the classic debate has raged between Christians for generations. Though never completely sure of my own position and certainly not at all understanding, and though arguments have swayed me between the two once or twice, I have generally fallen into the former camp throughout the decade or so I've seriously contemplated this issue...

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• omniscience
• predestination
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[thesirdanny]

One of the biggest things for me in understanding this was learning about Quantum Physics AND pairing that with my reading of Leibniz's work.

Learning the meanings of the words by which we qualify someone with the title of God is incredibly helpful too. In such research you will no doubt come across references to Leibniz's work due to the depth and wide reaching nature of it.

[Frettsy]

@thesirdanny I have not read any Leibniz - will have to check that out.

[ICarnagezI]

Who cares about predestination? God desires all to be saved. And if you love God then you try your best to help. Not tell people that there presdestined to hell. What is wrong with you people? Predestination is a arguement that no one can win.OnlyGODknows

Isaiah 55:8-9“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,”  declares the LORD.

9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

[Frettsy]

@ICarnagezI ...wha? I didn't mention hell once. but now that you mention it, you're wrong. we are all by our sinful natures condemned to hell. only by God's grace and mercy are we saved from that rightful justice and punishment. and yes, we can know. by your argument, nobody can know anything; of course that's not the case. the Bible speaks specifically on this issue multiple times; it is up to us to interpret it in the best way we can.

[ICarnagezI]

@Frettsy Nobody can win this arguement. Cuz you say verse that talks about being chosen and I can say John 3:16 or any verse that says WHOEVER.

[Frettsy]

@ICarnagezI of course nobody can "win"... somebody is always going to have a differing opinion. that does not mean there's no merit in discussing it and trying to come to the truth. you may not find any value in it, but others who are perhaps more intellectually curious do.

[gilbert4321]

I believe that God's way of thinking is beyond our understanding and even if he told us it wouldn't make any sense because we are not capable of understanding.

[CloverfieldMonster95]

@Frettsy what about Molinism?

[JeevesMorris1]

Yay for believing in "predestination"

[daveme7]

While listening-I will give advice someone gavetome one day-do not read books for Calvinism against Arminianism or for Arminianism against Calvinism and only study the scriptures begging God to teach you the truth.