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@whatevalife6 You obviously have not done your research? The reason the liberal media probably isn't reporting this the same way Fox News does is because it's inaccurate. Her videos are shams....
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@whatevalife6 because MSN, CNN and CBS know hacked film when they see it and refuse to give a platform to a liar and hypocrite.
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Good job, Lila. My mom had me, and we love each other. God bless you! :D
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The bottom line is that the quality of life for the woman and the child would almost certainly decline if the child is born. If she gets an abortion, her quality of life will remain high, and the fetus' quality of life is nonexistent. Plus, the fetus didn't have to suffer.
It seems like you're saying that people don't get the idea that human life should be preserved from external sources; it's more of a gut feeling or part of our nature. Either way, it's not grounded in reality.
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Our view laws and social perspectives are based on the premise that human life has value and should be protected, you can't ignore that. You told me why you think women feel that way without actually substantiating such a stance - as I said before, women feel emotional pain even when strongly supported and told that they've nothing wrong - so you can't blame society and use it as a scapegoat to somehow consolidate your position, it's invalid.
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Where did you get the idea that life has an inherent value or sanctity? Seems more of a religious idea than one a skeptic/atheist would hold. I specifically mentioned psychological/emotional suffering two posts before this one; I'm not limiting suffering to only a physical experience. And I already told you why women who feel upset/guilty after an abortion feel that way. It's because of the social stigma surrounding the procedure. There's no reason for them to feel upset.
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@AtheistTower Aside from the act that you can't reference such an over blown statement, you have confused the difference between the % of PP's budget being spent on abortions compared to other health services provided for clients and the % of abortions given when PP patients are compared to non PP patients. Confusion over simple matters such as these are the purview of the radical right. Additionally, the radical right simply lies about PP’s budget to fool their intellectually lazy constituents.
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@AtheistTower ""PP centres positively correlate with higher abortion rates for all reasons and all ages.""
Reference that please! As you know this to be a fact, and you state the facts without the actual numbers or references for said numbers, it’s to be expected that anyone reading this post would want to read your sources.
Any event that so strongly affects all ages and for all reasons should be very easy to reference. We'll accept any statistics from credible news sources or agencies.
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"One's desire to live is irrelevant"
Why? You're reducing the value of life to nothing by basing the value of life on such conditions. And again, you're merely defining suffering as a purely physical experience, which isn't entirely accurate. Although I bought this up before - you ignore the fact that women who undergo an abortion still experience negative psychological outcomes, in fact you'll find very few who are so hardened that they feel nothing after an abortion.
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It doesn't support anything. It only states the fact that one cannot suffer from a painless death. One's desire to live is irrelevant if they die before realizing they're being killed. A death caused by abortion cannot cause suffering unless two conditions are met: 1. The abortion must take place after the fetus can feel pain, and 2. The procedure itself must cause pain to those who can feel it. In these rare instances, I object. I'm fine with the rest, and you should be too.
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"perhaps less than 1% of abortions."
If you're talking about abortions globally it's a great deal more than 1%, particularly in developing nations which are the biggest aborters.
"Not being allowed to live cannot be classified as suffering unless the means of death is either physically or psychologically painful."
That's a dangerous view, it supports the right for people to assist the suicide of others. I reject your position; it's naive and black & white.
You're not mature enough to understand that this is an anomaly, that the exception proves the rule. Any organization requires oversight. The fact that violations were found and PP has corrected them tells us that the system is working. For conservatives to suggest that these infractions, which are a less than a single digit % of the events and that PP will have in a day, is classic conservative extremism. Embrace the liberties that God gave you. Stop trying to take them away from others!
mrekbass 9 months ago
@mrekbass Planned Parenthood has corrected their violations? They have yet to ever correct this:
Search: Wisconsin Planned Parenthood Ignores Sexual Abuse Case
And Search: Wisconsin Planned Parenthood CEO Caught in Lie
LiveActionFilms 9 months ago
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Wow! PP fires employees but you don't see that as a correction.
Sadly, you are not aware that this specific PP by being inspected and placed on probation (your words) they will be required by law to fix these violations in order to stay open. This by definition constitutes a correction. You could care less about other people or their civil rights. You are too narrowly focused on your baby killing fantasy to see straight. As you mature you wont view things so narrowly.
mrekbass 9 months ago
@mrekbass Before embarrassing yourself further, please watch the two videos that we provided above. Planned Parenthood did not address this situation with corrective action or fire this employee. Please get the facts before sharing your points based on incorrect information.
LiveActionFilms 9 months ago
@LiveActionFilms We have shown Planned Parenthood failing to properly handle child sexual abuse many times. Their Birmingham, Alabama clinic is the one that was placed on probation following state Health Dept. investigation. The links I showed you above relate to Milwaukee, WI Planned Parenthood. 2 different clinics.
LiveActionFilms 9 months ago
It's interesting that she posts this video as if it is something to be proud of. The recording was obviously edited. You can hear the cut. Additionally, the PP employee didn't say anything damning. The employee said "there is nothing we can do about that." How does anyone get from that comment to somehow believing the PP employee was condoning or helping cover up her age? Only a truly shallow person would view this as damning of PP.
mrekbass 9 months ago
@mrekbass The Alabama department of health after its own investigation of this Planned Parenthood clinic placed it on probation after finding 9 health violations including failure to follow the state's parental consent laws.
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