Free Will and more of that irrelevant quantum theory crap

if the universe could throw dice (outside of cause and effect) it would throw crap(s) everytime.

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[zadeh79]

You're extrapolation from fixing dice throws is flawed. At the macro-level the quantum effects are usually (practically) irrelevant. But still, throw the dice something like 10^300000 times, it would be enough to cause an unpredicted event. In certain 'setups' QM readily effects the real world.  In plants, (considerably less complex than the brain) QM has already been established. And the fact you speak of Quantum phenomena is direct evidence that it effects the macro world.

[zadeh79]

@billybob1212 What your saying is complete nonsense. Quantum phenomena has been observed, and is well established.

[SeeProfileForDetails]

Where did this "structure" you speak of come from in the universe? To me it reminds me of a software program written by a programmer who didn't really give a shit once it was running

[stormatrix]

you sound like you know stuff but why the need to swear?

[trick0171]

I agree that it applies to all matter (as all matter is made of atoms) - but it does not apply in a way that answers the questions that CM does. We are not able to explain the motion of large scale objects through our understanding of the motion of particles that make up those objects. I'm off to bed as well. Take care.

[yaysprinkledirt17]

Sorry about removing my comment btw. I wanted to formulate an answer for your entire question. I will respond try to respond tomorrow as it is very late where I am. However I will say this. The De Broglie equation can apply to all matter, of any size, because all matter has a wave motion associated with it. However at high masses, the quantum effects become negligible, and it is often more efficient to use the Newtonian equations of motion.

[trick0171]

My question asks how it describes motion of large scale objects, not particles at the Quantum level. The de Broglie wave is in regards to the motion of quantum particles.

The point I am making here has to do with where QM is applicable and where CM is applicable because they are not the same. There may be some overlap, but not nearly as much as you are suggesting.

[trick0171]

Lets go into particulars then (as I still disagree). How does QM "describe" motion (velocity, acceleration, displacement, and time) of large scale objects? As far as I know this cannot be explained without CM - Newtons first law (Inertia).

[yaysprinkledirt17]

Correction: "I understand perfectly that the Hamiltonian operator and Hamiltonian Mechanics are different"

[yaysprinkledirt17]

correction: "Quantum mechanics actually *describes all systems"