perhaps maybe part of the butterflies plan is to get ignorant people like you to stop being so full of themselves and to notice the incredible awesomeness of our creator.
You are going to have some huge explaining to do come Judgement day when God rules this land with an iron rod, and if you don't return to God, you'll perish just as in the days of Noah.
Wait wait a second, are you saying that this creature doesn't serve a purpose or overcome obstacles to reach a certain goal? How about completely changing from one creature to another? Impressive, right? How about pollinating plants? Sounds like a plan right? and when everything looks way too complicated, fall back on the "stuff happens" and evolution is fact ploy, if you haven't got anything logical to say, don't say it it eatmylogic, who is the one with the ego?.
Butterfies are not consciously designed the way helicopters are. Butterflies develop out of nature. Machines designed by intelligent beings suit a purpose, are extensions of a personal will to overcome obstacles to reach goals. Nature needs none of these, it simply does what it does, without ego.
@mafarmerga - the problem is that you didn't show any contradiction... the tools are there to correct your misunderstanding... including the reference I gave you of Jesus own words that He could not go against what is called the OT. No one can force another to believe anything. We are not the butterflies - nor birds and bees - even though we have the same Creator. Our moral code is the one give to us that as I referenced - Jesus Himself He didn't come to destroy - but fulfill.
@Amidat "You don't really want "truth" - you want to argue."
You are correct in thinking that I do not believe that you, or anyone else for that matter, knows the "truth" It is indicative of your arrogance to assume that you have a monopoly on the truth or that I do not seek understanding.
I provide numerous examples of how the OT contradicts the teachings of Christ yet still you wonder how a Christian cannot have a literal interpretation of the OT.
@mafarmerga - I've explained it plainly several ways. You don't really want "truth" - you want to argue. I will give you the words "chazaq" and "taphas". Different words and different scenarios... but the key difference is the lack of protest. There were 3 scenarios described between vs 22-29 - adultery - rape - and improper relations - with 3 different "results". I pointed you to the tools you need - so get a concordance and/or a Hebrew verison go look for it if you really want truth.
@mafarmerga - as his apostle Paul said in Romans "the law is spiritual but we are carnal - sold to sin"... and likewise he said in Corinthians "a natural mind cannot understand things of the spirit". The thief/murderer who was crucified right next to Jesus received punishment for His crimes - which he admitted himself rightfully so - but Jesus sees the heart of man and obviously the guy repented truthfully. OT is not of God?? Read Jesus word in Matthew 5:17-20. No way around it.
@Amidat "I don't have to create my own translation... they exist already... "
OK, then providing me with a link to a single version of the OT that translates the passage in the benign terms you suggest should present no problem to you.
I checked out over a dozen and they all describe it as a one-way forcible encounter.
perhaps maybe part of the butterflies plan is to get ignorant people like you to stop being so full of themselves and to notice the incredible awesomeness of our creator.
briandawkinsforever 2 weeks ago
You are going to have some huge explaining to do come Judgement day when God rules this land with an iron rod, and if you don't return to God, you'll perish just as in the days of Noah.
briandawkinsforever 2 weeks ago
Wait wait a second, are you saying that this creature doesn't serve a purpose or overcome obstacles to reach a certain goal? How about completely changing from one creature to another? Impressive, right? How about pollinating plants? Sounds like a plan right? and when everything looks way too complicated, fall back on the "stuff happens" and evolution is fact ploy, if you haven't got anything logical to say, don't say it it eatmylogic, who is the one with the ego?.
briandawkinsforever 2 weeks ago
Butterfies are not consciously designed the way helicopters are. Butterflies develop out of nature. Machines designed by intelligent beings suit a purpose, are extensions of a personal will to overcome obstacles to reach goals. Nature needs none of these, it simply does what it does, without ego.
eatmylogic 2 weeks ago
@mafarmerga - the problem is that you didn't show any contradiction... the tools are there to correct your misunderstanding... including the reference I gave you of Jesus own words that He could not go against what is called the OT. No one can force another to believe anything. We are not the butterflies - nor birds and bees - even though we have the same Creator. Our moral code is the one give to us that as I referenced - Jesus Himself He didn't come to destroy - but fulfill.
Amidat 3 weeks ago
@Amidat "You don't really want "truth" - you want to argue."
You are correct in thinking that I do not believe that you, or anyone else for that matter, knows the "truth" It is indicative of your arrogance to assume that you have a monopoly on the truth or that I do not seek understanding.
I provide numerous examples of how the OT contradicts the teachings of Christ yet still you wonder how a Christian cannot have a literal interpretation of the OT.
I wonder how one could?
mafarmerga 3 weeks ago
@mafarmerga - I've explained it plainly several ways. You don't really want "truth" - you want to argue. I will give you the words "chazaq" and "taphas". Different words and different scenarios... but the key difference is the lack of protest. There were 3 scenarios described between vs 22-29 - adultery - rape - and improper relations - with 3 different "results". I pointed you to the tools you need - so get a concordance and/or a Hebrew verison go look for it if you really want truth.
Amidat 3 weeks ago
@mafarmerga - as his apostle Paul said in Romans "the law is spiritual but we are carnal - sold to sin"... and likewise he said in Corinthians "a natural mind cannot understand things of the spirit". The thief/murderer who was crucified right next to Jesus received punishment for His crimes - which he admitted himself rightfully so - but Jesus sees the heart of man and obviously the guy repented truthfully. OT is not of God?? Read Jesus word in Matthew 5:17-20. No way around it.
Amidat 3 weeks ago
@Amidat "he offered forgiveness to those who were willing to repent"
Kind of hard for a young woman to repent when she has had her skull bashed in by rocks thrown by the male members of her family. Don't you think?
I suppose God can still forgive her sins after death. Will God also forgive her murderers?
The more you try to defend these interpretations of the OT the more I become convinced that these were man's laws written by men, for men.
They were not the words of God.
mafarmerga 3 weeks ago
@Amidat "I don't have to create my own translation... they exist already... "
OK, then providing me with a link to a single version of the OT that translates the passage in the benign terms you suggest should present no problem to you.
I checked out over a dozen and they all describe it as a one-way forcible encounter.
mafarmerga 3 weeks ago