Slow Burn Fred Hahn Nautilus Shoulder Shrugs

Shoulder shrugs - exercise #9 of #12 Nov. 2, 2009

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• Nautilus
• shrugs
• weight lifting
• strength training
• training
• strength

[MisterNautilus]

I thought I understood biomechanics, but maybe not. Stanley Plagenhoef, PhD, Professor of Biomechanics at U. Mass called Arthur Jones "a mechanical genius" but he could be wrong. Orthopaedic Surgeon Vert Mooney called Arthur "the most brilliant man I've ever met" but he could be wrong. Ted Dreisinger, PhD said "Arthur changed the world" but he could be wrong too. Know what? You go with your guys, keep making those cams passive. Best of luck.

[seriousstrength]

@MisterNautilus You just don't get it and don't want to. Enjoy your misunderstandings. 

[MisterNautilus]

That is not an answer. The cam is incorrect according to who? You? Does it just feel too tough in the contracted position? Too difficult? Not easy enough?You said the cam is "far too agressive in the finished position" which I take to mean too hard. It's supposed to be. Ask Tim Ryan what data he relied on to design the cam. How large was the cohort? Did he simply rely on length/tension effect and angle of pull? Arthur said there are many other factors to consider. Did Tim?

[seriousstrength]

@MisterNautilus It's not an anser to you because you clearly do not understand the concepts. The cam is incorrect according to the principles of biomechanics. Read Bill DeSimone's book Moment Arm Exercise.

[MisterNautilus]

This is the second time you have avoided answering my questions. What factors guided the design of your "altered" cam? Who designed it? I stand by my previous post.

[seriousstrength]

@MisterNautilus I already answered that - an incorrect strength curve. Do you know what that means? Tim Ryan created the cam for this machine.

[sclaysdharma]

I was looking for some other Slow Burn demos and I see you use machines a lot. Do you ever use free weights or body weight to train this method? I have been doing Crossfit for about a year and a half and don't have access to machines right now. And I am pretty sure I will get teased if I am seen doing arms curls. Do you ever do pullups or assisted pullups with this method?

[seriousstrength]

@MisterNautilus The original cam is far too aggressive in the finished position where the musculature is in the most contracted (weakest) position. A proper strength curve should feel flat - no hard or easy parts - throughout the ROM. Most Nautilus cams or cam effects in the rotary machines are far too aggressive in the finish hence the NEED for a 2 second positive. Arthur invented MedX as an improvement over Nautilus - and a vast improvement it was in many ways.

[MisterNautilus]

I notice you carefully avoided answering my questions regarding your altering the original cam. I repeat, what factors guided the new design? Who designed the cam? Now I'll answer your question. Yes, I do believe the original Nautilus line is superior to the clones on the market today. Arthur said in 1982 that Nautilus machines were "so close to being perfect that any slightest imperfection is of no practical importance" I guess he was a dreamer too...

[seriousstrength]

@bronco200005 Yes.