Why I Oppose Intellectual Property

I thought I explain why I oppose intellectual property from the perspective of producers in the market.

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• intellectual property
• IP
• opinion
• markets
• anarchy

[ladyattis]

@ladyattis So, where do you have the right to have a contract with an implicit/undefined third party which gains all the obligations, but none of the benefits? Contracts by definition require exchanges which are agreeable to both parties. With IP, there's no such exchange between parties (when I buy a CD, I'm not buying your music, when I download the same CD on BT I'm not stealing it since the CD is still there in its original format). So, again, where do tangible property rights come into IP?

[ladyattis]

@fountainherz I'm not getting mad. If you download a CD or uploading the CD is not theft since I already bought the CD on the upload side, and there's no contract that can be transferred by mere downloading. BTW, on the downloading side of your argument is the one Monsanto uses to force farmers who have had their crops polluted by cross pollination to pay up in the US (not so in Canada, the farmers took it to court and won).

[fountainherz]

@ladyattis

Why are you getting mad? You're categorizing music as "intellectual" property whereas my example is one of physical (an analogy is obviously a songwriter can't do anything to protect what's merely in his/her head, I'm referring to -finished product- of physical medium distribution via computer files, CDs, etc.). Under my example that (downloading a CD and uploading it without consent) constitutes theft (free downloaders taking property).

[ladyattis]

@ladyattis To ask for more than the right to shame such people is to ask for property rights over others labor and goods. That's the problem with your assertion so far. It requires POSITIVE force to be applied for it to be possible. There no such thing as free market IP law, it's logically contradictory. Trade secrets aren't a form of IP. Nor are NDAs. Nor are venue specific performances and so on. IP law is very specific and very much a politically motivated idea.

[ladyattis]

@fountainherz You seem to not get it, you cannot own an idea; period and end of story. It's not logically possible or even physically possible. Just because people will be shitheads and copy CDs and not pay you doesn't mean you have a right to a guaranteed revenue stream. So long as these people are not directly conflicting with your right to sell your labor (as music, swag, whatever), then you have no right to interfere with them (beyond calling them shitheads). ...cont...

[fountainherz]

@ladyattis

Distribution of music like that (continuing example) implies that the songs don't belong to the artist; that the property aren't his/hers but "public." What kind of property rights do you support?

[ladyattis]

@fountainherz You can do something about it by finding a business model that works. You're not guaranteed an income for your labors.

[fountainherz]

Oh, so a music artist, who derives SOLE income from sales (I'm NOT referring to our current music-industry corporatism but a different free-market-esque hypothetical scenario) is supposed to just take it and "suck it up" when fans upload music to sharing sites like youmusicdotcom?

[MaxStirner4Lyfe]

If you think about an idea for a horror novel... Stephen King already wrote it.

[ladyattis]

@socrates856 BTW, I posted another video expanding my thoughts. If you want to continue there, it would be great. :)