Dr David Clarke discusses new MOD UFO release 20/Oct/08

Dr David Clarke, an expert in UFO history, guides us through the highlights of the newly released M.O.D. UFO files on 20th October 2008.

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[holysin667]

Leo Zagami is the man with a plan!

[cdenver]

Well in a way he is, what confuses me about him is that he joined them in the first place.

Although...who knows, he may be counter-intelligence OR he could have been a mole the whole time.

[sim0b]

Yes its illegal to hide information in a democracy. This isnt even the tip of the iceburg. Research the Rendlesham forest incident too. Dont forget that they will release silly/funny old storys/incidents to the masses, just to make the subject look silly to the masses. The news/media should be out their upholding democracy

[cdenver]

Thank you for your comment. I agree with you 100% Information should be freely available to all. And yes the media [aka: Meades in ancient times] cast spells upon the masses and manipulate the truth for their own selfish gain. They told a silly story of the girl who claimed to be from amazon and made a serious joke out of it. That's in the Sirus system and their is a lot of knowledge out there regarding the Sirus system and its relation to alien encounters this planet has had the last 8K yrs

[bigbadjon303]

I went to School with Dave in Sheffield - he's sound

[cdenver]

Happy days mate, he seems like a nice guy too. Nice to have his friend watch his video here :)

All the best!

[clixpert]

One pilot name Milton Torres was ordered to fire missles at the UFO said he saw the UFO then flew away with the speed reaching 7,600 mph. WOW!

[raggedmoorlander]

These files that were released by the MoD a couple of years ago (2008) contain many UFO incidents that remain unexplained. The missile-shaped object sighted from the cockpit of the Italian airliner over Kent in 1991 is, as Clarke acknowledges, 'a genuine UFO' i.e. an object that remains unidentified and has no obvious convention explanation. The 1956/57 case (which emerged in the 1980s during RAF Manston reunion) is intriguing. The pilot gets a radar lock-on an the things just shoots off.

[raggedmoorlander]

@Mucky1little2me3 I'm not talking about behavioural changes in society. I mean acquiring a new 'vision of reality'. A disclosure like 'meet ET, folks' would fit perfectly comfortably within our present paradigm. A solution to the enigma that entailed, say, a radical new understanding of the relationship between consciousness and the external world probably would not. It would not be generally understood because it would require a new pair of cognitive spectacles to 'see' it, so to speak.

[Mucky1little2me3]

@raggedmoorlander

Imagine there was disclosure tomorrow, there is your paradigm shift.

Changes in society can be effected rapidly when the truths are large enough.

After all if the change in how we view reality is over generations it is not really a paradigm shift - more an expansion of knowledge through extrapolation.

As I say there will always be the dogmatists who are left behind.

Granted such radical changes are rare but then so are events and truths that shift our perception of reality.

[raggedmoorlander]

@Mucky1 Well I can't think of any paradigmatic change that has occurred suddenly. Of course, individuals have sudden insights and epiphanies, but not whole societies. Copernicus's 'Revolutions of the Sheres' took about a hundred years to be generally accepted, Darwin's ideas at least many decades (and are still not accepted in large parts of US)... QM still hasn't filtered through to other scientific disciplines. As Bohr said: 'Those who have the allegiance of the young, hold the future.'

[Mucky1little2me3]

@raggedmoorlander

True but asking the questions is easy, getting the answers not so.

I'm not sure that people have to die off to change an old belief system though - it just takes the right person with the right message to change things.

Only those who are deeply invested in dogma will be left behind.

My feeling is that the World will be unrecognisable 50 years from now - the socio political landscape and technological aspects anyway.

It is becoming obvious the current way is not the future.

[raggedmoorlander]

@Mucky I'm not sure what 'class' means anymore, and I live in traditionally the most class-conscious country, the UK, but there's nothing to stop anyone getting into any area of inquiry. The rich and powerful 'elite' - de facto rulers behind-the-scenes - will only be interested if it helps them become even more rich and powerful and more able to control and manipulate the masses. In any case, new paradigms don't come into being overnight; those who see the world in the old way have to die off.

[Mucky1little2me3]

@Mucky1little2me3

Ultimately I know that even the truth, as I experience it, will only be a reflection in a strategically placed mirror but I am naive enough to think that maybe I can extrapolate from there the reality behind the mirror - if that makes sense?

What I am trying to say is we can not know the reality beyond our perception any better than we can know the reality of death but we can be open to the idea that our perception of reality is very narrow indeed.

[Mucky1little2me3]

@Mucky1little2me3

I think the framework you are referring to, for the a paradigm shift in the belief system of the masses is labelled New Ageism?

Or at least it is a departure from the pursuit of material wealth toward spiritual enlightenment.

I guess we could insert a million words here and debate political systems and idealism but that would just get in the way of what you have already said so well.

I don't expect schools to start classes on the merits of being Human tomorrow

[Mucky1little2me3]

@raggedmoorlander

That seems to me to be an intelligent and natural argument.

I hate it because it plays into the hands of the elitists and goes against my my belief that truth is classless but yeah;

Not only will the truth be available only to those that at are able to reason beyond the mundane and see the unseen, it will also be available to those that are nothing of the sort but in positions of power and the truth must be forced upon them.

The religious overtones are inescapable.

[raggedmoorlander]

@Mucky1little2me3 Do you not suspect, though, that 'the truth' when it is finally realised will not be understandable by the masses - like quantum physics or Kantian metaphysics, say, is not immediately understandable. Aspects of the UFO phenomenon are just so weird that it suggests to me that the solution to the enigma, when it comes, will not be understandable within the particular framework of reality our age is currently locked into but will require a new paradigm or framework of reality.