SportsCentury Sonny Liston 1/4
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@obiwanobiwan13 I respectfully disagree. Ali didn't care about race or religion? His whole persona was based on it! He was his own man? Not really, he became a puppet for the Muslims, doing whatever "the honorable" Elijah Muhammad told him to. His racist attitude got so extreme, that at one point, his idol, Sugar Ray Robinson, didn't want anything to do with him.
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there seems to be a common theme for many boxing greats:
bad home life
leads to crime
leads to prison
gets in boxing program in prison
gets noticed in the boxing program
starts training seriously
becomes champion
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Times change. The naacp petitioned Patterson to not fight Liston because he set a bad example for black youth. Everyone ducked Liston . Sonny would have Knocked Tyson RTFO. BTW going into the civil war.1860 census there were about 4 milion slaves in America.
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@AlexiusMoore I kid you not, a total of 60 million African's died coming from Africa on a slave ship, an European who wrote the history of this said so (So you can't use race in this)... 15 million Africans made it in America. But of course a significant amount of Africans were killed off in America from brutality and torture from Europeans, so it cut it down to probably 9 million.
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@7Know7Thy7Enemy7 60 million, dude, your making these numbers up. seriously, if u tryin to prove a point then, use actual facts. no way near 15 million africans were brought to America, thats just a load of bullcrap. the number is about 1 million maybe 2. if it was that many then today, there would be 500 million black people in america, not 40 mill. Anyway i don't wanna waste time shootin down your made up facts so bye
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@AlexiusMoore At least 10-15 million bought African's were brought to America, 2 million died on the way here. Then the Europeans used the bought slaves as bait to catch and steal more slaves, probably millions more. It was also estimated during the Atlantic slave trade, about 60 million African slaves died, and that's not including America. The reason why the number was that high,was because the slaves were also exported to the Atlantic. Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, N India. No your history
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"Hitler was a Regime" what the fuck you talkin about willis?? Hitler was the leader of the third riech, not a regime......Quite embarassing listening to you talk shit.
Imperialism happened all over the world, the weak were killed and suffered, but you don't see anyone else bitchin about shit that happened hundreds of years ago.....
no way near have 8 million blacks have died in us
black people enslaved black people and sold them to the whites, go and bitch to the black people that sold u out!
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@AlexiusMoore Hitler was the Regime at that period of time you illiterate misinformed fool. Listen stupid, blacks were constantly killed,rape,beaten,set up,look down on as animals, and threatened in that time of Ali's life, he seen it all, you didn't. 8 million Jews? More slaves and blacks died than those 8 million Jews, and that's not the start of it. Do you know about the Imperialism in Africa?That was way worse than what happen to the Indians and Jews combined. Indoctrinated idiot
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@7Know7Thy7Enemy7 Hitler wasn't president. I wish u'd actually learn something before you open your mouth.
secondly, i don't remember hearin about 8 million black people being taken to concentration camps by white people during the 60's.
99%, no i don't think so? Devils? Shut up u moron!!.
Dou u even know why black people got their freedom??? If all white people were racaist devils and compared to the nazi's then wouldn't they all just kill all the black people?? Asshole go read a book
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@AlexiusMoore He wasn't racist you bitch, 99% of whites were racist devils back in Ali's time you loser, you expect him to say good things about them in that time? You expect Jews to say nice thing about Germans when Hitler was president? You must be out of your mind you lunatic
Do NOT compare Ali to Mayweather.
Ali was not a punk, or a product of his time.
Ali WAS his time, was the 1960's- and beyond.
Ali "shook up the world" as few did. As when a Catholic, JFK, took office. As when MLK went to the mountaintop. As when four lads from Liverpool played music together.
What made him great? He didn't CARE about conduct, not about race, religion, political dogma...
He was his own man and every fight, in and out of the ring, he proved what a free man can do.
obiwanobiwan13 2 years ago 46
if liston had the same facilities as ali when he was 12 liston would have grown up to be UNSTOPPABLE and i mean literally he would have broke marcianos record with ease and would have retired un defeated and broke george foremans record or percentage of knockouts he would have been the greatest.
MultiGreat1 1 year ago 4