Statism, Cages and the Murder of Conscience

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[DarkZerkerX]

We've basically been indoctrinated saying: "The Government is good. Criticize the government and you're anti-American and anti-Constitution."

I really think our founding fathers would shed a tear if they can see what this government has become.

[deepfriedsammich]

You're wrong about one thing, Stephan. We are not surrounded by people who like weapons, rather than words, we are surrounded by people who believe that if they commit their violence vicariously, through other people with weapons then they do not have to confront the reality of using them. They are cowards who want nothing more than to hide themselves in the depths of Hobbes's Leviathan and to pretend that they have meaning through collective identity.

[TheAdmiralofLife]

@TheAdmiralofLife The only thing that is sound in your entire statement is sentence four. Which I shall add, would've made the rest of your comments sound a lot better, then condemning someone state of mind for listening to a cult leader and then commenting to think for yourself. Which Stefan succeeded in his life, which give his statement more credibility then your own.

Show SPECIFIC example of his(Stefan) hypocrisy.(If you really care, which I believe you do..and that is a good thing).

[TheAdmiralofLife]

@deziistheone you're full of shit. You give a damn to post a comment. You give a damn enough to look at the comment. Like myself. He actually tell us to think about long term before daring to make that kind of commitment. So your statement is a lie. The last sentence is utterly useless and has been repeated over and over again by multiple peoples of both good and bad.(Useless statement) The third sentence could be repeated to yourself.(Naive person who never work at a college or school?)

[swu880]

@swu880

all i am doing here is using something called LOGIC and REASONING. that is all. really what im getting at is the very basic FUNDAMENTAL components of what is tooo often presumed or assumed away- the component of civilized behavior- aka the non aggression PRINCIPLE (note it aint some theory or philosophy)

[swu880]

@swu880

molyneux isnt saying that, upon hearing that you insist of still forcing support for such institutions and programs that you disassociate yourself from them immediately. However, after some time, a line ought to be drawn, are you still going to continue to support, even after trying to dissuade, those persisting that you must have sex or do X, Y or Z though you disagree with such actions?

[swu880]

@swu880

that is quite disgusting

[swu880]

@swu880 if i really do not want rape, is it not sensible to distance oneself from those who insist on rape?

it is only basic common sense and reasoning. this is only the most basic essentials of civilized behavior. If you dont even offer that much, how the hell can you even call that being civilized??? and then you insist that we still must be associated with one another???

[swu880]

@swu880

lets apply it to say- sex. ok? what happens if ik say ask you if i can freely disagree, and act on those beliefs. you say i may but i still "have to have sex with so and so". now firstly, if i try to dissuade you but after some time, you still insist that i "have to have sex with so and so", then is it not obvious that i should try to disassociate myself and distance myself from you if i REALLY do not want that?

[swu880]

@deziistheone

like i said, all it comes down to is the question am i free to disagree or not.

Being able to freely disagree is not about scribbling on some placards all day and waving a flag. bein able to freely disagree is about being able to remove any and all of your support and to TRULY freely support that which you want to support and value.

[deziistheone]

@swu880 We're not even having the same conversation. Look, I don't give a shit what your little cult leader told you, but to manipulate others into making life altering decisions without any consideration to the long term effects on them is disgusting. You, and this guy, are not accredited, qualified or of sound mind enough to do so. Do whatever you want with your own life but look to yourself before giving advice.

[swu880]

@swu880

If you dont even let me freely disagree and threaten to use violence against me forcing me to fund this and that atrocity- public schools or social security etc, then YOU are acting no different from a BARBARIAN! plain and simple.

So of course, after a while it makes absolute sense to distance yourself from such psycopaths if they don't reform their behavior and attitude.