Re: philosophy of will, 1.0

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[Israe5l]

A minor point. Humans have will and stones don't. This is because, humans go all the way down (I mean its influenced by quantum phenomena.) While stones are influenced strickly by newtonian mechanics.

[donnachaidh]

Stones absolutely go all the way down.

[Israe5l]

The objective tends to be more useful. The subjective tends to be more wonderful.

Speaking of wonderful, where did that girl go?

[donnachaidh]

Where do girls go?

[Israe5l]

ug, you mean you don't know which girl I am talking about? I guess you got many girls hanging out with you.

[donnachaidh]

That isn't what I meant... It was a rhetorical question.

[Israe5l]

Stones are not influenced by quantum probablistic phenomea. (Here I am assuming that quantum proablistic phenomea produces: Will.) But brain chemical may very well be indluenced by quantum probablisitc phenomena. (I mean, where else can we expect to find free will. And neurons are just small enough to make the difference. Small enough to be influenced by quantum mechanical probablity. Stone not.)

[Israe5l]

6:49 "how to fuck you over"? Did I hear you right?

As for micro and macro physics we do live in them. Think of the brain. This electrical signals going here and there. Isn't that fast enough and small enough for us to experience.

Sometimes I feel like reality is slippering away. We don't always exist in Newtonian mechanics.

[donnachaidh]

That's a question of your attitude toward will, causality, and determinism.

Suppose that engaging in behavior we would call self-educating, self-shaping, self-improving, thought-cultivating, etc. boiled down entirely to genetic predisposition and a confluence of the right environmental factors to set the behavior into effect.

This may or may not be the actual case, but if it is it implies something radically different about that behavior and its worth.

Otherwise yes, I think you're right.

[BombdePlume]

Very lucid.

You say we're just educating ourselves about the gods of our time when pursuing a subject w/out any direct utility or applicability in the world, but aren't we still shaping ourselves in some sense by cultivating an inquisitive nature that ultimately affects our behavior down the line?