The Hypocratic Party - Pacifism As Pathology

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[02Blackbeard]

Pacifism is born of pragmatism and despair.

[nazibreaker]

Greatest and limited victoryesfor black people came when they prove they will not remain peacefull forever .I Respect all segments of the struggle including King u cant separate the peacefull from militant acivtists only cause u like the one more that is disrespect for the black stuggle .AND people of colour still have lower avarage incomes,poor access to housing and healthcare and poorer health then whites.DE FACTO segregation still exist -ghettos are internal colonyes

[nazibreaker]

Just 2 days later Birmingham -up until then an inflexible bastion of segragation-agreed to desegragate downtown stores,and president Keneddy backed the agreement with federal guarantees.The next day after local white racists bombed black home and black buisness ,thousands of black people rioted again seizing 9 blocks injuring many police officers including the chief inspector and burning down white businesses. A month and a day later KENNEDY was calling the congres to pass the civil right bill

[nazibreaker]

IN THE spring 1963 MARTHIN LUTHER KING campaign in Birmingham was a repeat of the failed campaign in Albany,Geogia- where in 1961 ,9 months of civil disobidience show the weakness of non-violent resistance against government with botomless jails and where in 1962 a rioting youth took over whole blocks and force the police out , demonstrating that they will not be peacefull forever.Then in 1963 in Birmingham after continued police violence rioting youth began fighting back .JUST 2 days later

[PinkandBlackBloc]

especially since recent developments like peace police DEFENDING THE COPS at protests

[PinkandBlackBloc]

i just really don't understand how anyone can actually be a pacifist.

[DJKreeper1288]

hey what was the song you were playing at the start of the video? also just to throw something into the mix...does anyone want to explain the very violent amerikkkan revolution in this history of successful nonviolent struggle.

[terpis]

the 'Meinhof-ites' makes a reasonable argument -- there's something intuitively right-seeming about the old saying 'don't bring a knife to a gunfight' -- but it seems to me that

1-- the 'counterhegemonic violence' road needs to be PLENTY violent to have any hint of a chance at succeeding, which means

2 -- the conversation must arrive at some point at 'who's down with killing innocents?' Winston Smith's willingness to throw acid in the baby's face.

None for me, thanks.

[rubbleofempires]

Right, but comparing some donation collectors like PETA to the principalled NVDA movement that king lead is pretty disengenious. Like comparing ELF to the SLA.

[rubbleofempires]

Also, stupidly, I forgot Malcolm X was around during this time. doh!