mamarama - circumcision debate Part 1 of 2

Segment Question: My wife and I can't agree on circumcision.

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[mamaramatv]

Circumcision is seen as the central commandment of Judaism. Even for nonreligious Jews, circumcision continues to be perceived as the "sine qua non" of Jewish identity. in Judaism circumcision is expressed as the divine mandate, which seals and perpetuates the covenant, with the Jewish people. So, "Loqiloqi" some things that you don't understand are bigger than you and the blip of time we live within. I'd say your ignorance has "gotta be embarrassing."

[PungiFungi]

About all these I assume American men who have their sons cut because they want to match... I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you people. I am uncut and my father passed away a year ago and to this day I have never seen his penis. So are you telling me that American men and their sons compare genitalia? What a fucking weird and backward country we live in!

[mamaramatv]

@PungiFungi - I don't understand that either. I have to think it's some "Male Ego" thing, because you're right, practically speaking there is not a lot of comparing ones' penises that goes on between fathers and sons. So I have to think it's the "concept" of "matching" or envisioning a "mini-me" that drives men to want their sons to match them. Are there any dads out there who support this notion who'd like to explain??

[needles1987]

"The baby should match the dad"? That's the stupidest reason I've ever heard. I hope I wasn't cut for that reason.

[mamaramatv]

You'd be amazed by how many parents I have heard cite THIS reason as their primary one for circumcision. That and the STD thing (which is largely unfounded).

[zombieseezombiedo]

circumcision is evil and wrong.

[alnot01]

@mamaramatv: boys can handle not having the same penis as Dad. But many cut Dads apparently cannot handle being reminded of foreskin every time they change Son's diaper or give him a bath.

[alnot01]

@binkyver : for me the #1 reason is that there are women who have trouble enjoying intercourse with cut men. This can be tragic. Vaginismus and PE, and a fair bit of ED, can be blamed on routine infant circ.

[alnot01]

@mamaramatv : boys can handle not having the same penis as Dad. But many cut Dads apparently cannot handle being reminded of foreskin every time they change Son's diaper or give him a bath.

[alnot01]

@mamaramatv : "Revere the One God, the Creator of the Universe. Treat other humans like you would be treated. The rest is commentary."

If a Jew denies one or more of God, the Chosen People or the Covenant, then brit milah cannot be a "religious obligation" and ceases to make sense. Many Jews in Europe and Latin America no longer hold brisim, but do not wear that fact on their sleeves.

[utoobmark]

The bottom line is that no sane person would ever circumcise a baby because of their religion. Therefore, the Jews, Muslims, and Christians who circumcise religiously are, by definition, insane. Insane beliefs like circumcision are a plague upon society and MUST be stopped by any rational government with the power to make laws. Female circumcision is already illegal FOR ANY REASON, religious or otherwise. If you think that it is fine to slice boys but not girls, then you are a sexist fool.

[utoobmark]

@mamaramatv Well, if that's the central tenant of their religion, then they are a bunch of sick people. Don't be so dismissive of that commenter. Mutilating babies is plain wrong. Judaism is almost as bad as a Satanic cult just because they refuse to stop brutally slicing healthy functioning parts off babies' penises. THEY are the ones who don't understand, not those of us who KNOW that circumcision is categorically WRONG! The Jews are stupid and ignorant about proper penile anatomy.

[dafty97]

@loqiloqi Circumcision is a 3000 year old barbaric procedure to control male sexuality. No woman would ever consider cutting off part of her daughters body so it's about time we show men and boys the same fucking respect.

[dafty97]

@mamaramatv Strange that female circumcision in places like Kenya are seen in a similar light. But we in the west view it as barbaric

[dafty97]

Circumcision is a 3000 year old barbaric procedure. If it's not your body then don't fucking touch it. And cut the crap about wanting to do whats best for your son. If you had a daughter you would never even consider cutting part of her body off. So it's about time we start showing men and boys the same fucking respect and value

[ArtInMeAndYou]

In ancient times, things were different. For one thing, if one challenged the authority of any church or religion, there were dire consequences. Plus, the social stigma associated with the religion like "you failed God" and the ultimate judgement. So in contrast, "FEAR" may be to blame for many of the circumcisions of long ago and maybe even now. Being a more educated society, we do have a choice to weigh the medical, religious, and moral issues surround this topic. I won't have it done to mine.