Where has bad boy/dead beat/thug blaming gotten us?

This video is an elaboration on a point made on my first video 1:33 - 1:42 Black Male Underachievement

Obama justifying female responsibilty abandonment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNzmly28Bmg&feature=related

Obama justifying no reproductive rights to men

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaRXa9crAx0

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Education

[BruhMan09]

I agree with your video except for the little dig at the nice guy. Why use the same SHAMING TACTIC women always throw against men who question/criticize their behavior and actions?  (i.e. You're mad you can't laid, You're just jealous, etc.)

[xTheKagedBirdx]

Because the 'Nice guy' loves to brag about his material superiority over 'thugs'. (ex: "I'll treat you right", "You deserve better" aka I'm a better choice than that other guy.) Many of them believe that their college degree/wealth make them intrinsically better than the men without. I could care less about the shaming tactics and beef that nice guys have with women, I'm strictly concerned about the welfare of the marginalized men in our communities.

[xTheKagedBirdx]

And for the record, black women in general don't use shaming tactics primarily on 'Nice guys'. How do I know this? Because they are the ones always complaining that their aren't enough nice guys/good black men in our community. They use their shaming rhetoric on thugs/bad boys/dead beats, best illustrated in their "Niggas ain't shit" anthem. It's used to demean the poor men of our society not the ones who "got it together".

[Slylady81]

Black woman and men are both at fault.. The woman aren't making babies on their own and the men have condoms that they can easily put on. men and woman can get these condoms at some places for free!! Now days there aren't many (if any) Excuses on why we are having unwanted children. Condoms are primitive but they do work most of the time, It' s just that people refuse to use their condoms.. The men AND woman are the problem. It is human nature to easily place blame or ridicule someone else.

[xTheKagedBirdx]

I'm referring to Reproductive rights, which men have NONE. Reproductive Rights ONLY come into place when a PREGNANCY occurs. Therefore "Wrap it up" or "Keep it zipped" aren't relevant here.

And if men and women are BOTH the problem as you suggest, why is it that that MEN are chiefly blamed for this. Why are men always labeled deadbeats and women simply victims of deadbeats.

Why is it that men have fatherhood imposed on them while women have every initiative to avoid unwanted motherhood?

[BlackPoisonxX]

I personally think it's the fault of both parties......

[xTheKagedBirdx]

Could you clarify the two parties you believe are responsible? If you are implying that men, thugs, deadbeats etc are responsible you would be correct IF any of them had ANY SOLID reproductive rights (Meaning options after a pregnancy has already occurred removing condoms from consideration. RR's such a abortion which women have an iron fist on) As of July 6, 2009 I see no such rights for men so myself and many others must continue this battle for men's rights.

[nochey78]

OK...but here's what i don't get.....if black women(not all, but way too many) truly want the nice guys/good black men,why then do they turn around and go for the thugs/bad boys/dead beats??

when you habitually say one thing and habitually do the exact opposite,it makes your rhetoric seem rather empty...

[ContrarianExpatriate]

With one exception, you are on the mark. Black women choose socially marginal men, so it is their fault. If Black women sexually rewarded nerds, then black men would pursue that course.

The only problem I have with your video is your use of the term "black community." Blacks are far too diverse and complex to be encapsulated into a single community. Blacks are not a monolith so we need to get away from using that term.

Good exploration of the issue nonetheless.

[BlackHeartMetal666]

Blaming anything on any1 doesn't change anything.

Educating and changing minds, however, makes a BIG difference.

[BruhMan09]

Oh I know Nochey78, I was just throwing my 2 cents in. I totally agree with statement

[nochey78]

i know man...my question was kind of rhetorical...LOL!!!!

honestly though...i really couldn't care less if black women go for the "bad boys"...what you like is what you like.but ,just don't try to switch up when you're past your prime and when you been knocked up 3-4 times by 3-4 different thugs..

stick to your guns......

[BruhMan09]

@ Nochey78. Women are NOT logical thinkers that's why. I think some of the so called jealousy "good guys" have is when some of these women go for the "Badboys" in their youth and then these same women try to WEASEL and SNAKE their way towards those same "good/nice guys" when they get older, fatter, heavier, and a kid or two later. If the "good/nice guy" was NOT good enough for you in your youth don't try to get at these cats when no one else wants you.

[cjjaxxon]

I agree with the vid to an extent and I agree with you too Contrarian. I was never jealous of a thug, bad boy or deadbeat so I don't believe that. Yeah, women tend to go for those types of men and this is the result. Mind you, deadbeat dads aren't always these types either. The woman has a role in that what makes a deadbeat dad and this vid touched on it.