I much prefer the camera work on these older races. One long shot enables the viewer to get a much clearer grasp of the action. These days it's all fast cuts and close-ups and half the time the crucial action is missed.
Yup, I doubt that Alleged would have won many Arcs if he'd been in two Guineas, two Derbys and a KG by August.... This is not to diss Alleged, but he was aimed solely at his Arcs and won them; and Lester's brilliance played a big part. I'd've loved to see Alleged at Ascot in '78; that wouldn't have been a race he'd dominate quite so easily. Great horses, both, so it would be wrong to have a pop at either.
Agreed. Whilst The Minstrel ws not quite a Nijinski or Mill Reef he won the Epsom/Curragh/Ascot High summer treble that was then the effective mid distance 3 year old triple crown. The KG finished many fine horses.
Alleged was a better horse,, you'd not find many people siding with The Minstrel in a match bet mate. Exceller would probably have won that King George if he'd got half a ride off Freddie Head, despite him finding the ground too firm (same for Crystal Palace) Orange Bay running a horse to a short head did not make the winner a champion. Sorry.
Sorry have to disagree. There was a pretty strong field for this King George. Derby winners are usually judged on their own career as opposed to the quality of their runners up. As for the Chester Vase winner Hot Grove, form is dodgy, that's why there's gambling. The Minstrel's record was top class. The trend back then was for several leading three year olds to go off the boil following their high summer exertions. The Minstrel was the Ballydoyle stable star of '77.
He got a bit of stick for the ride here believe it or not. Some people close to the yard thought he'd made his move too soon....and then there was the shambles he made of Alleged in the Leger that year. I think he was under a little pressure to win the Arc by the time the race came round?
The Minstrel was certainly game and brave, but I agree with you. Without the master on his back I seriously doubt he would have won this or the Derby. I wouldn't have him in my top ten anyway.
I much prefer the camera work on these older races. One long shot enables the viewer to get a much clearer grasp of the action. These days it's all fast cuts and close-ups and half the time the crucial action is missed.
tigerboy1966 1 year ago
I don't think he got there - but he must have
jnmklo9 1 year ago
My God is that horse tough and game. Quite similar to Lammtarra in that respect.
5overlord 2 years ago
I'd like to see the photo on that Orange Bay got up on the line!!
jnmklo9 2 years ago
Yup, I doubt that Alleged would have won many Arcs if he'd been in two Guineas, two Derbys and a KG by August.... This is not to diss Alleged, but he was aimed solely at his Arcs and won them; and Lester's brilliance played a big part. I'd've loved to see Alleged at Ascot in '78; that wouldn't have been a race he'd dominate quite so easily. Great horses, both, so it would be wrong to have a pop at either.
ComteLafon 2 years ago
Agreed. Whilst The Minstrel ws not quite a Nijinski or Mill Reef he won the Epsom/Curragh/Ascot High summer treble that was then the effective mid distance 3 year old triple crown. The KG finished many fine horses.
tigerarmyrule 2 years ago
Alleged was a better horse,, you'd not find many people siding with The Minstrel in a match bet mate. Exceller would probably have won that King George if he'd got half a ride off Freddie Head, despite him finding the ground too firm (same for Crystal Palace) Orange Bay running a horse to a short head did not make the winner a champion. Sorry.
quick46 3 years ago
Sorry have to disagree. There was a pretty strong field for this King George. Derby winners are usually judged on their own career as opposed to the quality of their runners up. As for the Chester Vase winner Hot Grove, form is dodgy, that's why there's gambling. The Minstrel's record was top class. The trend back then was for several leading three year olds to go off the boil following their high summer exertions. The Minstrel was the Ballydoyle stable star of '77.
westwayhey 3 years ago
He got a bit of stick for the ride here believe it or not. Some people close to the yard thought he'd made his move too soon....and then there was the shambles he made of Alleged in the Leger that year. I think he was under a little pressure to win the Arc by the time the race came round?
quick46 3 years ago
The Minstrel was certainly game and brave, but I agree with you. Without the master on his back I seriously doubt he would have won this or the Derby. I wouldn't have him in my top ten anyway.
december2364 3 years ago