Re: Re: Re: The Great Stone Paradox

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[InfiniteMonkey303]

@URProductions: You win the prize for for most humorous comment to my video--really did laugh out loud. Thanks for cheering me up.

[TheJustice99]

What uttter nonsense. If this could possibly be th case , then ALL matters of facts and logic would dispaiate. From the principle of dualistic logic Infintemonkey invokes is the principle of biva that propositions cannot be both be true and false under the same epistemic conditions. If one disregards it any first year Logic student could tell you everything follows , for example a triangle is both a triangle and a square and not a triangle and a square and a sphere and george w bush and satan

[InfiniteMonkey303]

@TheJustice99 George W. Bush is both a square and satan. I'm very glad that you responded to point out how faulty use of logic can be used and often is used to justify virtually anything. 10 bonus points to anyone, including 1st year logic students, who can specify the the logic of why my video response is actually not even a response to the paradox but is about something else entirely. No one's pointed that out yet.. I'm a little disappointed/frightened.

[xzanthius]

There are some things which the human mind cannot conceptualize directly. This is the reason for faith on one hand and higher mathematics on the other.

[InfiniteMonkey303]

@xzanthius : Yes, but as the many variations of incompeteness theorem in both math and logic demonstrate, math and logic do not contain the necessary tools with in their toolbox to provide a complete description of the universe, existence, or anything else for that matter--how ever I am not saying that they are not very useful and even esstential tools--it just that their foundations are at least in part are entirely faith based.

[xzanthius]

@InfiniteMonkey303 It is perhaps the very idea of completeness that causes us to error.  We would need to properly define faith before attributing it to a scientific mindset. The scientist makes it a point to forgo faith and bases his reality upon "proven" concepts. In the end however, as you point out, even the scientist cannot escape that his very reality is bound by the reality of faith as he assumes the ground he stands on to be finally solid.

[InfiniteMonkey303]

@xzanthius Well I would say that religious faith used to be the foundation upon which descriptions of reality were based. Now, science is the accepted standard for defining reality--I think largely because it is mostly responsible for the industrial revolution among other things that seem to be judged as human progress.

Another thing I always say is "If it's a paradox, then it must be true!"

[tranglomango]

awsome intro dude

[xzanthius]

@xzanthius Still I would rather the (practical) faith of the scientist to the (ungrounded) faith of the religious zealot.

[Marioman969]

i REALLY want someone to make a video response to this!!

[666SPEED44DEMON666]

@URProductions but he cant lift it

[MikeyAbbott]

Everything's a paradox when I'm stoned.

[cerimovic]

it's like making a square circle - contradictory by definition and stupid to talk about

[cerimovic]

it's like making a round square - contradictory by definition and stupid to talk about