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[AlexMerced]

Also watch my recent video on the economy as a whole, I discuss how corporations are structured democratically like government and both institution suffer the same short term political mismanagement that causes them destroy the long term growth and sustainability of humanity. I'm not saying people should never vote, but how should they vote (which you've discusses when your brought up rank order), and what power should those who win popularity contests or are connected should have?

[ThePunkPatriot]

@AlexMerced Corporations are not structured democratically. In democracy, you get one man, one vote. In a corporation, you can literally buy your votes. So the rich have the power, the poor do not.

One man, one vote is the great equalizer.

[AlexMerced]

I agree you can't end violence with violence, violence only yields short term results cause all you've done is coerced people not change them. Although, my problem is some of the change you at end hope as a result involves using violence against those who used violence against you (redistribution of wealth). If you don't think it's violence, ask yourself what happen if people refuse to follow the rules laid out by these changes, what happens if they continue to refuse. Thus I'm a Voluntarist

[ThePunkPatriot]

@AlexMerced Taxes are not violence. They are paying for services.

[GuiMarquito]

also you mentioned a lot of protests but not their outcome. All this is not to disagree with your points, especially concerning the lack of votes (though you don't have much choice there, as we know, the vote by itself is a very small part of the democratic process.), but we really have to act in a violent way towards the elite and that can mean just direct action such as strikes and occupations...

[ThePunkPatriot]

@GuiMarquito I didn't mention protests, I mentioned successful nonviolent revolutions.

[MoonstompingMike1985]

NO WAR BUT THE CLASS WAR

[MoonstompingMike1985]

Riots may be ugly, but they can be necessary methods for many people whose own voice falls on deaf ears. No offence to pacifism, but its a game that only the middle classes choose to play. The last 4 decades, violence against the UK state has accomplished more than peaceful protest can. St Pauls, Bristol 1980 and Brixton 1981. The riots that occurred in these areas highlighted and challenged police racism and brutality. And the poll tax riots of 1990 helped to crush thatcher's reign over the UK

[MoonstompingMike1985]

@lamaddussa how about chiapas? which is zapatista homeland, no offence but i hardly see signs of dictatorship there....

[depro9]

Nice fucking hair! LOL

[thenoorys]

@Alastrian83 That's a problem of representational government not democracy.

[thenoorys]

@ThePunkPatriot Violently. If you don't pay your taxes you go to jail. I'm not even a capitalist and I understand that. And to further separate myself from capitalist. Property damage is not violence. And if you follow Max Stirner, property is violence.

[DJpopel]

@thepunkpatriot

Part2

..from him they might as well be on another fucking PLANET, but actually telling them to act within guidelines he himself is INCAPABLE of even DEFINING. There is no such thing as nonviolence. You dont need eastern philosophy to figure out that spititng at the sky will get you a loogie to the face. I may be a little bit harsh here, but you have basically spewed out every cliche I have ever heard from priviledged white activists, EVER

I WILL be back.

Peace. you warmongerer

[DJpopel]

@thepunkpatriot

Part1/2

I find it absolutely hilarious that an american who pays his taxes is telling people to be nonviolent. 50 cents of every dollar you pay every goddamn year funds the biggest fucking war machine the human race has ever SEEN, you fucking hypocrite. Or is that not violence? what the fuck IS violence then? you sure didnt tell me, and I doubt you could. SO what we have here is some cracker ass student from fucking berkley not only JUDGING the struggle of people so far removed..

[Alastrian83]

Well said for the most part, I wholeheartedly agree that peaceful non-compliance is the best strategy.

But in response to your claim that we've not given democracy a chance, voting has been mandatory down here in Australia since 1911, meaning that close to 100% of the population vote (yeah, a handful of us would rather eat the fine than vote), and guess what... we STILL elect crooks, liars and whores of the corporate machine.

[primoknoxville]

You are a dreamer.