GRAF NEVER HAD A LOSING h2 against seles even though seles won more grand slams but a lot of that wasnt at grafs expense and the period around 91-early 92 graf was in a slump.I really wished they played more times than they did.Over their whole career they only played 15 times thats over a 10 yr period.Grafs adaptability over all surfaces is what makes me give her goat status nobody has done what she has.If players get acareer goldenslam these days praise is heaped upon them graf did it in year
@poxmanful endless debate :) Evert has a better win/loss average and navratilova won so much more than anyone else. I would go for Graf had the stabbing not happened and had she had the same results with seles around. In the period of time Seles won 8 slams, 3 YEC, Graf won only two slams, no YEC, then restarted winning big with seles out. It's understandable that observers question how their careers would have evolved had Seles not been stabbed.
@juju1305 i geuss thats why graf is the best in my veiw.Regardless off the surface she would win .she could adapt to different surfaces better than anyone before her or after her and its unique for a tennis player.if u look at grafs h2h only 2 players have a equl h2h .Graf is the best alll court player in history and in my opinion greatest of all time.seles fans say graf won cuz monica was stabbed but graf lost 2 years to injury at the end of her career could have been many more grand slams
@poxmanful I don't know. On neutral hard courts, against players who have more pace and spin than in the past, I don't think so, on grass and clay though, for sure. Schiavone used a ot of slice on her way to winning the French last year and reaching the final this year. It's still a great weapon.
@juju1305 i have the feeling it would be more effective now with court not being as fast and possibly in the 2nd week staying really low.It would be hard to keep scooping that from around ur ankles
@poxmanful yes, it was a great shot, especially on the very fast grass back in the 90s. Now that surfaces are more neutral and grass got slower, i wonder if it would be as efficient. It was the best slice ever though, much faster than that of novotna, martinez or navratilova.
@poxmanful i wouldn't say shit, she had just beaten navratilova in the semis. Graf played a great match and seles was too tentative. to me there best match technically speaking pre stabbing is AO93, FO92 being the most intense, but it had more unforced errors, etc... but the tension was incredible.
i also noticed 92 was around the time heinz gunthard started coaching graf and she wasn't running around her backhand to hit a forehand as much she was much more confident in her backhand and her slice bh especially on clay where the ball stays low is a incredible weapon ,I'm surprised more players dont use it
@juju1305 yea i remeber thinking when graf won 92 wimby thats the best i seen steffi play ,seles had no answers and graf was getting to balls that against any other player were definate winners seles proved in that match on grass she was shit .ao 93 seles kicked her ass that simple.i still think their greatest match was 92 fo it was a shame someone had to lose that match
GRAF NEVER HAD A LOSING h2 against seles even though seles won more grand slams but a lot of that wasnt at grafs expense and the period around 91-early 92 graf was in a slump.I really wished they played more times than they did.Over their whole career they only played 15 times thats over a 10 yr period.Grafs adaptability over all surfaces is what makes me give her goat status nobody has done what she has.If players get acareer goldenslam these days praise is heaped upon them graf did it in year
poxmanful 3 months ago
@poxmanful endless debate :) Evert has a better win/loss average and navratilova won so much more than anyone else. I would go for Graf had the stabbing not happened and had she had the same results with seles around. In the period of time Seles won 8 slams, 3 YEC, Graf won only two slams, no YEC, then restarted winning big with seles out. It's understandable that observers question how their careers would have evolved had Seles not been stabbed.
juju1305 3 months ago
@juju1305 i geuss thats why graf is the best in my veiw.Regardless off the surface she would win .she could adapt to different surfaces better than anyone before her or after her and its unique for a tennis player.if u look at grafs h2h only 2 players have a equl h2h .Graf is the best alll court player in history and in my opinion greatest of all time.seles fans say graf won cuz monica was stabbed but graf lost 2 years to injury at the end of her career could have been many more grand slams
poxmanful 3 months ago
@poxmanful I don't know. On neutral hard courts, against players who have more pace and spin than in the past, I don't think so, on grass and clay though, for sure. Schiavone used a ot of slice on her way to winning the French last year and reaching the final this year. It's still a great weapon.
juju1305 3 months ago
@poxmanful they allways played extremely close matches because they were the only 2 players at that level
poxmanful 3 months ago
@juju1305 i have the feeling it would be more effective now with court not being as fast and possibly in the 2nd week staying really low.It would be hard to keep scooping that from around ur ankles
poxmanful 3 months ago
@poxmanful yes, it was a great shot, especially on the very fast grass back in the 90s. Now that surfaces are more neutral and grass got slower, i wonder if it would be as efficient. It was the best slice ever though, much faster than that of novotna, martinez or navratilova.
juju1305 3 months ago
@poxmanful i wouldn't say shit, she had just beaten navratilova in the semis. Graf played a great match and seles was too tentative. to me there best match technically speaking pre stabbing is AO93, FO92 being the most intense, but it had more unforced errors, etc... but the tension was incredible.
juju1305 3 months ago
i also noticed 92 was around the time heinz gunthard started coaching graf and she wasn't running around her backhand to hit a forehand as much she was much more confident in her backhand and her slice bh especially on clay where the ball stays low is a incredible weapon ,I'm surprised more players dont use it
poxmanful 3 months ago
@juju1305 yea i remeber thinking when graf won 92 wimby thats the best i seen steffi play ,seles had no answers and graf was getting to balls that against any other player were definate winners seles proved in that match on grass she was shit .ao 93 seles kicked her ass that simple.i still think their greatest match was 92 fo it was a shame someone had to lose that match
poxmanful 3 months ago