Race, class and opportunity Pt.2

john a. powell: Why bail out Wall St. but punish Detroit? New administration's policies - old pattern.

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[lordblazer]

@pigneguy

I'm an urbanite American. I moved and lived in many cities in the US and the world. I will speak only of the US. What you say about LA's school system is basically the same for all school systems in the US. it isn't about the grades its about where you live. We pretend we aren't stratified, but when institute policies that reinforce it, and if you watch the other two parts. you realize we need to evolve, but half the country doesn't want this. they want the good ole days back.

[MultiSmartass1]

Powell hits it on the head when he talk about racialization as structural phenomenon not individuated reactions or individual relationships. Once you define racism as a singular psychological phenomena related only to interpersonal relations, then you ignore the real racism that exists in this country and elsewhere.

[MultiSmartass1]

@pigneguy Having lived in LA more than a year ago, your comments seem somewhat accurate. I lived in West Hollywood briefly and then stayed with a friend a number of blocks away from USC. Big difference. My view is that Geography is destiny. Urbanity, Suburbanity, Exurbanity are all destiny. I never grew up in LA so I can only assume it must be difficult as coming up in NY or Chicago.

[pigneguy]

Every LAUSD, (Los Angeles Unified School District,) household or residential area is zoned to an elementary school, a middle school and a high school. If i live in the ghetto i can only attend the schools assigned to that area. Unsurprisingly, the best schools are in the more affluent neighbourhoods. In the U.K, where i grew up, as long as i have the grades , i can attend any school that accepts those grades... as long i can get there ...by bus, train or bicycle etc.

[oolong2]

Instead of insults maybe you should come up with real arguments Instead of what they feed you on talk radio.

Statements like "get gov out of our lives" and "rights are not gov given" are complete nonsense and meant to appeal to emotions not logic.

The point was to show you how stupid those statements are.

Disagree with *specific* policies all you want and you SHOULD where it doesn't make sense.

But to think that gov. hasn't played a part in your freedoms and privileges is just dumb.

[bbburton]

Your still as ignorant as when you first posted. And I'm sure you will continue down the road of ignorance. You continue to cite 'regulations' as if it was a mantra for the perfect life. If all the regulations you mentioned worked, then why do people still get poisoned, die in plane crashes, burn up in house fires? It's not the regulations that keep anyone safe. It's about making good choices. So you keep letting gov make those choices for you, I'm sure you'll be real safe, and just as ignorant.

[oolong2]

The conversation started with your statement of "getting government out of our lives" and "rights are not government given"

Now you're back peddling...

That's fine, but you still haven't a clue.

A few things you mention:

Food: regulation keeps feces and spoiled meat out of your hamburgers.

Travel: regulation and traffic laws keep you from dying in car/plane accidents.

Shelter: regulation keeps people from selling you a house that could burn down due to faulty wiring.

[bbburton]

Are you really that dense? I'm saying the Constitution is the document that limits the role of gov in our lives, not expands it. And BTW it's the violation of basic rights i.e., killing, stealing, fraud, that gov is supposed to prosecute, not set rules for obtaining food, shelter, clothing, work, travel, medicine, etc. Those are the things that one must procure and decide for themselves. That is what I mean by getting the gov out of our lives. Get with the program and pay attention.

[oolong2]

LOL The Irony... You're using the documents of our government to argue against the need for our government.

Can't you see how absurd that is?

BTW the gov. DOES take life in cases of capital punishment, police/FBI shootings, etc.

We form government for protection and to set the rules by which we live by.

Fighting against government and wanting it "out of your life" is like fighting your finger against your hand.

Therefore argue against specific policies NOT your own government.

[bbburton]

Now I know you haven't read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. You are wrong, and there is no getting around that fact. Unless and until you read those documents, you're argument is without merit and completely erroneous. If I can't take your life, you can't take mine, and neither can the gov. To say otherwise is absurd. Rights are not relative, they are absolute, and baring any infringement of those rights, gov has no business interfering in anyone's life. That's the rule.