Atheism Undermines Science - Dr William Lane Craig

This is a mirror video from Dr. William Lane Craigs channel which can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/drcraigvideos#p/a and his website can be found here: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/PageServer

Atheists often turn to myths to back up their non-belief system. The main one being the so-called eternal Universe. This was disproved as far back as 1965.

So much for being rational!

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[Hufflewaffle]

The Bob's birthday analogy is wrong. Craig cleverly frames the metaphor as something 'given' to someone. He eases us into this frame of thought in order to subtly suggest it is a 'fact' that the universe was somehow 'given' to us. He cleverly leaves Bob out of the equation as if he, and all of us are mere observers of God's will. Its a false analogy and very mischievous.

The universe isn't a 'coincidence', its simply an 'incidence'. How many 'coarsely tuned' universes does Craig know of.

[HyldenHero]

lulz "Begans"

[pyrite13]

Oh how I love being told by preachers what I believe and why. It's so much easier than actually analyzing those beliefs myself. And where is Bill getting this "out of nothing" nonsense? That's Genesis, not the Big Bang. Actual cosmology begins with the universe being compressed to smaller than an atom. But it WAS there when the event occurred. Where it came from? Nobody knows.

[GetMeThere1]

@IDH77 : Well, if you're so eager to tell people that they're WRONG about how they define themselves or what they think or believe, then I would say you have a rather bad approach to communication....

Modern atheists see themselves as rejecting the claims for the existence of gods as put forth, most often, by monotheists. That is a fact--even if you feel you have a need to deny it. But you won't have much interaction if you try to disallow what people tell you about themselves.

[GetMeThere1]

@IDH77 : The problem with your "knowing" is that there are others who also claim to "know" things, and what they report is often contrary to what you (i.e., christians) report. I don't wish to deny people their individual experiences--but apparently a lot of people confuse their individual experiences with external realities that can be objectively determined to be true.

[GetMeThere1]

@IDH77 : Again I'll suggest to you that the dictionary is not meant to serve in the way you wish to use it.

[IDH77]

@GetMeThere1 Personally I find that its atheists who mis-define what atheism is by actually being agnostics not atheists.

If you merely have a lack of faith but don’t actually know then you're an agnostic not an atheist.

Atheism is a definite statement that there is no God at any time anywhere! But that can't be proved.

[IDH77]

@GetMeThere1 Like most atheists you don’t understand the Biblical worldview. That’s ok neither did I at one time. I was an agnostic.

Then I experienced God in a way that I cannot deny. I KNOW that God exists as well as Satan and his counterfeits.

I’ve long gone beyond the point of simply believing into actually knowing!

And that is what Islam Buddhism etc are - Satan's counterfeits!

[IDH77]

@GetMeThere1 The Dictionary definition of Agnostic!

a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are UNKNOWN AND UNKNOWABLE, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

The exact opposite of what you just said!

[GetMeThere1]

@IDH77 : "agnosticism" is about "knowing." Neither atheists NOR agnostics believe in a god (if you don't "know" whether a god exists, you obviously don't believe in it).

"Atheism" is about "belief," i.e., atheists lack BELIEF in gods. As such, atheists can claim to be GNOSTIC (i.e., they claim to KNOW there is no god--a rare position among atheists), or AGNOSTIC: they don't believe because they have no knowledge on which to rest belief--the most common view among atheists.