How to Cope With a Vindictive Narcissist?
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it doesn't make any sense. it's really subjective?
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This kind of information could be kind of dangerous. Maybe someone dealing with a personality disorder is to back away slowly. Let someone else get caught in the crossfire.
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@terriergal But by getting in their heads, it scares them so much they either leave, try to please you or ignore you so that the threat is eliminated.
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This really works but you must be very clever to achieve it. The Narc that was problematic for me has moved to another country and has disappeared utterly. He was a threat to my career as well as my personal life, now he has destroyed his own career and all I did was tell a third party that his employers knew something about him. Not nice but necessary. He did the rest.
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@OrangeWinchester As for Vaknin himself while a lot of what he says is intellectually sound, the guy himself is a dastardly scumbag without a modicum of integrity. If you haven't already, I suggest you check out the documentary "I, Psychopath" you'll see that he treats everyone who interacts with him maliciously, regardless of whether or not they're actually narcissists.
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@OrangeWinchester I've spent several years now mulling over this issue and I'm currently of the view that malignant/evil individuals (e.g. NMs, psychopaths, etc.) have -negative- intrinsic value. Their default regard for and treatment of all others is an accurate projection of their own worth and how they themselves should be regarded and treated; as foul objects worthy of contempt with no value beyond their potential extrinsic utility.
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@OrangeWinchester I get the impression that you're actually a decent person who has overcome a lot of character shortcomings. No one is perfect and we're all at different points on the road of spiritual development and, for the most part, I agree with your sentiment that one should treat other with understanding and compassion. Even so, there is a distinct qualitative difference between a person with character deficiencies and an individual who is depraved and fundamentally malignant.
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@OrangeWinchester I've always had a nickname for Kant; "The Clockwork Gentleman". The impression I've gotten from what I've learned about Kant in school and in my independent readings his psyche was more akin to a protocol droid than the average human. I'm not sure I classify him as narcissistic but I suspect that he didn't have as rich an emotional life as most people or, if he did, it didn't figure much into his thought processes.
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@EternalFuu It depends on the person, though, and no system is total, nothing is as simple as language makes it seem. I think there's a way to escape the trap of narcissism, to walk out from between the mirrors, by degrees. It just strikes me that Vaknin's methods of dealing with suspected narcissists are themselves the methods of a narcissist, the treatment of other beings as instruments. It's also just struck me: what if Kant was a narcissist, and deontology his protracted attempt to escape?
How to cope with a Vindictive Narcissist?
Block his youtube account lol.
lmsb1984 7 months ago 5
But then don't you become the same as the narcissist by engaging in the same manipulative behavior?
terriergal 5 months ago 3