Jacque Fresco - Generalism and Change

We expect change in technology -- why not in social structure? Excerpt from interviews for Future by Design documentary http://www.fbdthemovie.com/order.html

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[jacquefresco]

@MsBeiser "Saving the world" does not depend upon correcting the confusion of one person.

[MsBeiser]

@jacquefresco "I can't justify taking the time to articulate all the intricacies that you have misunderstood."

If you cannot justify it then you cannot be that committed to this cause, you cannot want to save the world that much. Surely it would be a priority? There aren't any "intricacies" to Fresco's thought.

[jacquefresco]

@MsBeiser Unfortunately, there is too much misunderstanding here - a sign that Fresco has offered something novel. I can't justify taking the time to articulate all the intricacies that you have misunderstood. But I have appreciated your criticism.

[MsBeiser]

@MsBeiser Sorry I'm a bit drunk, so please forgive any typos and poorly constructed sentences. 

[MsBeiser]

@jacquefresco (contd) how offer has this happened?! Things become unpleasant to say the least.

Also, you can't expect the younger generations - say those who are five years old now - to share your commitment to global restructuring (which they would have to because it would take so long) and therefore this universal ideal would simply hold back and try to resist social evolution and become oppressive.

[MsBeiser]

@jacquefresco (contd) Also, to rebuild cities or build new cities would take a long time. Undoubtedly there would be delays (as there always are in large scale projects). New generations emerge as adults who weren't consulted in the original decision to build this society. Ideals change over time or they find problems in the original ones, the final working society would be delayed further. Frustration, questions asked, then scapegoating - x is pulling their weight etc. (contd)

[MsBeiser]

@jacquefresco On a number of videos he mentions getting rid of certain types of literature that in his mind re-enforces certain "wrong" ways of thinking. Re: the social evolution - it would be impossible for total commitment globally to one cause (look at climate summits!) by the very nature of social evolution. Even if there was total commitment, it would take so long that inevitably the original ideal would be oppressive and hold back society. (contd)

[MsBeiser]

@jacquefresco It seems a complete contradiction to say something is on the 'evolutionary horizon' and the claim it is 'your choice whether it be an open system' or not. We cannot control our evolution. Evolution happens by chance. Any attempt to control a direction we evolution biologically or socially is nonsensical and unscientific. Personally, I do not see Fresco's as an open system it seem terribly closed. Fresco offer talks about censorship (contd)

[MsBeiser]

@jacquefresco I think it is crudely reductionist to the extreme to argue that power over others is merely the result of scarcity and competition. Sadism and masochism are not so narrowly confined. Political struggle gets a kind of masochistic pleasure (see Lyotard). This is a very complex area and the 'freedom from' argument doesn't really cut it. Also, power over others isn't necessarily negative nor is having power acted upon you - think education or artistic genius.

[MsBeiser]

@jacquefresco (contd). How do you go about building new cities to house the world's population without destroying whats left of the environment and other animals with it? Surely restructuring cities would make more sense but then that would cause utter chaos and would take so long as to be utterly futile (as well as the human cost of possibly losing one's family home etc. for the maximizing of efficiency. There would be uproar and no support whatsoever). (cont.d)