Part 3: Hawaii vs. U.S. Imperialism

Resources here (scroll past transcript): http://pinkyshow.org/videos/part-3-hawaii-vs-us-imperialism

Hawaii is the 50th state of the USA, right? (Well, actually "no"...) Pinky zooms through 500 years of the history of imperialism in order to explain why the U.S. has worked so hard to obscure the truth about Hawaii.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Hawaii
• Imperialism
• U.S.
• America
• statehood
• overthrow
• occupation
• settler
• colonialism
• anti-violence
• tourism
• vacation

[MisanthropicMarxist]

@JTKineticFlo I think I've said this several times already, but I am not in favor of secessionism. You yourself recognized this when you referenced my statement against regionalism. And your expression is only applicable to events that are happening in the present, as those in the past cannot be changed, but only learned from. That's all I'm advocating here, that you try to learn from past events.

[JTKineticFlo]

@MisanthropicMarxist I agree with your point to place importance on past events; i didn't "miss" it. Moving forward by nature involves knowledge of the past, but dwelling on the past doesn't accomplish anything which you freely admit. You also admit regionalism is backwards thinking, which i agree with. There's a saying, "don't complain about a problem unless you also have a good solution", what's your solution to these "past events"? Surely not secession?

[MisanthropicMarxist]

@JTKineticFlo And I don't support secessionism, either. Regionalism is a backwards-thinking system, and counterproductive to the efforts for genuine change. But I think you completely missed my point. I was saying that it is wrong to pretend that there is no meaning to past events, simply because they occured before your time.

[Dokkasan]

"In the name of our lord jesus christ, go kick some ass." LMAO

[JTKineticFlo]

@MisanthropicMarxist Since I live on Oahu i think I'm personally affected. A large number of the people here that rant about the independence thing are the same ones who break into people's cars, act like nobody else has a right to surf, smoke meth, bully people in the bars, and embrace racism. Almost everybody else enjoys Hawaii's diversity and doesn't support secession.

[TheDopestEthiopian1]

You can't put a measurement on oppression. Native Hawaiians were and still are getting clowned on. 

[KangaKucha]

@disciple68 indepedence wouldn't mean thrid world nation for hawaii, in fact much of what happesn now would remain the same, although their might be some foreign aid and such. As for Australia, it would be impossible for have two nations, one euro and one abo, so it's better to have them togerther, but have the abo peoples be one part, a state, of what is their country like natives in mexico, and hav rep in parliment. Hawaii should be like this too, but seperate from the USA.

[disciple68]

@KangaKucha I'm a bit confused, u say that the Hawaiian culture is different fron the rest of the USA. So that means it should be independent yet the Australian aboriginal culture was different from the European Settlers own. I dont see how u see a difference between Australia and Hawaii. I would agrue now that Hawaiians Not (ethnics) are very much a part of the USA. I live on Oahu so I see it. I dont see them clamoring for independece that would esentially make Hawaii a 3rd world nation.

[MisanthropicMarxist]

@JTKineticFlo But can one accurately lay out a course for future behaviors without understanding the past, including those aspects of the past which were, undeniably, oppressive? If we ignore these past actions, do we not unjustly absolve ourselves of the potential to commit similar actions? It is true that we should not dwell entirely upon the past, but to act as though everything that happened in the past is irrelevant if you weren't personally affected is absurd.

[JTKineticFlo]

thank you for putting words in my mouth. i don't agree with wasteful animal sacrifice, but i do eat meat, and since you equated humans to animals i didn't feel that needed a response. if you have no problem with people who engage in human sacrifice, and you are genuinely confused as to why it's different than capital punishment or war, then frankly i don't think you qualify as a rational person, and could care less about any cause you're behind. Good luck getting anybody to take you seriously