@PennyTraition It's always nice to find a mate Reiver from the Westmarch. I am basically a Douglas mixed with Moffat and Scott with some blood from the Western Isles.
By the way Douglas/Murray/Highlands and Borders, both descended from Flemish settlers.
@GilleanFreire Is very interesting. My (mad!) family, Border Scots and Notorious Reivers from the West, who fought with Cumbrians, an ancient family married into Norse(on the other side of the family); Scot Highlands, NW Irish, Central North Wales, I'm a 'Heinz Human', ('57 different..') But, oh for peace. No tribal infighting. I don't remember writing this; when my Dad was first rushed to Hospital,I was particularly confused. Hope I haven't offended anyone... Anyway, thanks for the info...
@PennyTraition No, the Scots are celtic, Douglas is a celtic name and the Douglas septs of MacGuffey and McKittrick. And theres a lot o highland clans of anglo and norse/norman origin. Macleod, MacDonald,Fraser.
Lowlanders are not anglo-Saxon! Were a mix of pict/brittonic/irish! DNA tests revealed mostly Pictish/Irish DNA,the britons were a Celtic people in southern scotland and the DNA is still found in south Scotland and north England and wales, the reivers were most likey Celtic Britons, the anglo-Saxons barley even affected English DNA,the number of angles and saxons in British was just 200,000 not enough to genetically displace the native population,
Highland Scots are pre-celtic Gaels, but I'm not complaining. I love the Ben they call Névis! Even though Cailleag did lock Bhríde in it over an raithe marbh till Oengus Og freed her and she cut the head off (The Cailteach)...I also love Brighid 'High One' of gaul, the Great Northern Unifier as well as Bríghit of Kill Dara ('Ever Burning Oak Tree'), the Bridget Sisters off Ireland (pre-Christi*nity), but SEPERATELY, not the confused Southern mixture of both, Brittania, the English Cow-Goddess..
@TheTwolloocks...I'm so sorry I like it in the Central Borders West...from Langholm to Lockerbie, down to the Springfield turn off on the Carlisle-Glasgow Road, down the A75 through Annan town, up to Dumfries and the Queen Of The South, onto Galloway and Kirkcudbright (where they filmed 'The Wicker Man') and if you want to right to Stranraer,straight up the Ayrshire Coast to Strathclyde, and West onto Argyll etc. Don't tell them in Dumfries!! Never Mind the Twollocks it's the Lydons of Eire!!
@TheTwollocks...Well, being of Irish, Western Viking, North Welsh, and Western Sottish ancestry plus Border Reveir, I feel pretty ripped...I'm rather sick of petty infighting. Pogue Ma Hone (Irish, I know. What do you gonna do about Irish??) .
@Liddlelegrande Some people have suggested that the Border folk were largely descended from Norse-Viking warriors, but there is very little evidence of Viking settlement in Northumberland, where both local place names and local dialect are of a highly Anglo-Saxon (Old Germanic) nature.
@Liddlelegrande The surnames of the Border Reivers do however seem to have been Anglo-Saxon, rather than Scots-Celtic in origin as unlike most of the famous clans of the Scottish Highlands, they all lack that Celtic element Mac, (the Gaelic word meaning son of), which occurs in names like McDonald and McDougal
@PennyTraition It's always nice to find a mate Reiver from the Westmarch. I am basically a Douglas mixed with Moffat and Scott with some blood from the Western Isles.
By the way Douglas/Murray/Highlands and Borders, both descended from Flemish settlers.
All the best
GilleanFreire 1 week ago
@GilleanFreire Is very interesting. My (mad!) family, Border Scots and Notorious Reivers from the West, who fought with Cumbrians, an ancient family married into Norse(on the other side of the family); Scot Highlands, NW Irish, Central North Wales, I'm a 'Heinz Human', ('57 different..') But, oh for peace. No tribal infighting. I don't remember writing this; when my Dad was first rushed to Hospital,I was particularly confused. Hope I haven't offended anyone... Anyway, thanks for the info...
PennyTraition 1 week ago
@PennyTraition No, the Scots are celtic, Douglas is a celtic name and the Douglas septs of MacGuffey and McKittrick. And theres a lot o highland clans of anglo and norse/norman origin. Macleod, MacDonald,Fraser.
GilleanFreire 1 week ago
Lowlanders are not anglo-Saxon! Were a mix of pict/brittonic/irish! DNA tests revealed mostly Pictish/Irish DNA,the britons were a Celtic people in southern scotland and the DNA is still found in south Scotland and north England and wales, the reivers were most likey Celtic Britons, the anglo-Saxons barley even affected English DNA,the number of angles and saxons in British was just 200,000 not enough to genetically displace the native population,
A'm desendit fae reivers anaw,tweedie clan
superraptor65 3 months ago
Highland Scots are pre-celtic Gaels, but I'm not complaining. I love the Ben they call Névis! Even though Cailleag did lock Bhríde in it over an raithe marbh till Oengus Og freed her and she cut the head off (The Cailteach)...I also love Brighid 'High One' of gaul, the Great Northern Unifier as well as Bríghit of Kill Dara ('Ever Burning Oak Tree'), the Bridget Sisters off Ireland (pre-Christi*nity), but SEPERATELY, not the confused Southern mixture of both, Brittania, the English Cow-Goddess..
PennyTraition 3 months ago
@TheTwolloocks...I'm so sorry I like it in the Central Borders West...from Langholm to Lockerbie, down to the Springfield turn off on the Carlisle-Glasgow Road, down the A75 through Annan town, up to Dumfries and the Queen Of The South, onto Galloway and Kirkcudbright (where they filmed 'The Wicker Man') and if you want to right to Stranraer,straight up the Ayrshire Coast to Strathclyde, and West onto Argyll etc. Don't tell them in Dumfries!! Never Mind the Twollocks it's the Lydons of Eire!!
PennyTraition 3 months ago
@TheTwollocks...Well, being of Irish, Western Viking, North Welsh, and Western Sottish ancestry plus Border Reveir, I feel pretty ripped...I'm rather sick of petty infighting. Pogue Ma Hone (Irish, I know. What do you gonna do about Irish??) .
PennyTraition 3 months ago
@PennyTraition sorry to burst your little celtic buble....but lowland scots are of anglo saxon origin
TheTwollocks 3 months ago
@Liddlelegrande Some people have suggested that the Border folk were largely descended from Norse-Viking warriors, but there is very little evidence of Viking settlement in Northumberland, where both local place names and local dialect are of a highly Anglo-Saxon (Old Germanic) nature.
TheTwollocks 3 months ago
@Liddlelegrande The surnames of the Border Reivers do however seem to have been Anglo-Saxon, rather than Scots-Celtic in origin as unlike most of the famous clans of the Scottish Highlands, they all lack that Celtic element Mac, (the Gaelic word meaning son of), which occurs in names like McDonald and McDougal
TheTwollocks 3 months ago