Quantum Enigma Debate (pt. 1)

A debate called "Quantum Enigma: the 'skeleton in the closet' of physicists?" between Ben Sandler (undergraduate psychology major) and Dr. Bruce Rosenblum (physics professor emeritus).

Dr. Rosenblum discusses how conscious free will leads to a 'quantum enigma' and Ben Sandler discusses how this 'quantum enigma' is an illusion.

November 20, 2008 at University of California, Santa Cruz

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Science & Technology

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• enigma
• physics
• mechanics
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• consciousness
• free
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[CNETZebur]

By the way, I read the book and I am also new to both determinism and the serious study of consciousness.

[CNETZebur]

Honestly, even if we posit determinism, we still have something of an enigma, don't we? If our choices are determined by some sort of mechanics beyond what directly affects the experiments (as would make the most sense to me), there remains the problem of how on earth our (determined) decisions alter reality. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Consciousness may not be what we might think it is, but Quantum Physics seems to prove that it refers to something. So....what is it?

[darqaeon2k]

Flip a coin to decide to look at the data one way or the other you still made a choice...the Enigma remains.

[darqaeon2k]

Just google "A Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser"

[darqaeon2k]

This Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser Experiment , uses a coincidence circuit (like a robot as observer) later when actual human collects the data and ...observes , it's the same as simpler experiments ....the photon position or "clumping" or "wave" I qoute " will be at one place if we later learn more information; and the actual position will be at another place if we do not. "

[mszlazak]

Wow, is this kids arguments bad. The robot example just shows how little he understands about the measurement problem.

[1971SuperLead]

Freewill is but the ability to be aware of reality and to extend reality. It is not the ability to change reality. Freewill has allowed us to forget reality and to dream of a "reality" where we are slaves. We are all slaves in this "reality", but we are not really here. Reality is freedom. Freedom to be aware of freedom or to forget freedom.

Quantum mechanics is but the study of dreams. When you look at what makes the world, you eventually find out that it is you.

[adularslan]

Finaly i see yor face :D

Damn bro. ....you are younger then i supposed!

[dirtmcgirt10]

This I AM, is not something. It is the very unbounded energy that is here. It is here before dates, the I AM is timelessness. All that changes is this perceived by the unchanging? The essence of the totality of this miraculous existing, does it change, or does it hum and transform? The transforming is without time, Eternal. People are told they have a soul, a supposed timeless aspect to them. There is no owning of what is here. The force that moves all manifestation in the universe is impersonal

[dirtmcgirt10]

This theory has been conditioned by the philosophy of the East. You can categorize it under nihilism. I argue that man hides behind categories and clothes. There is nothing to destroy, gain, or lose. There is no tree inside a tree, there is no man inside a man. When you stop and see that everything is going on of itself, What is left undone? I think therefor I am? No. I AM, therefor I think. The I AM is not conditioned, your parents did not give this to you, it was not learned.