TheReasonWhy: God is flawed

This video is covering the common ideas of God.

Full video script, it was typed all at once and may have some spelling mistakes and might have a wording mistake, if you find one, notify me and I'll make an annotation for the video.


TheReasonWhy: God is flawed

The Problem of Timelessness
If God is timeless,
then God experiences all moments of time simultaneosly, since if he didn't, then he couldn't know everything.

If God Knows all that will happen,
then events from the perspective of God are set and unchangable.
Also, from the perspective of an entity that doesn't know the future, events could possibly not be predetermined.

If God Is all Powerful,
then his creation will be exactly what he wants it to be.

If God makes something knowing what will happen,
then God is responsible.

If God made everything knowing what will happen,
then God is responsible for everything that happens.

This means that either God isn't timeless, or he isn't all powerfull.

If God isn't timeless,
then God isn't a viable argument for the first cause.



The Problem of Evil
If God is All good and all powerfull.
then his creation would be perfect and all good.
However, ignoring the previous demonstration of Gods absolute responsibility for all actions.
We can then ask why is there evil?
Remember, this is ignoring the previous points showing how God is the only being responsible for everything.

Lets Give Christians the idea that freewill is valid from an all knowing universe maker.

If then Humans brought evil into the world by being defiant,
then why doesn't God, being all good, solve the issues of evil effortlessly.

Theists then say that if God got rid of evil, where would you be, or anyone, implying that evil being removed would mean that everyone would die.
HOWEVER, being that God is all powerfull, why is the only solution to evil to kill people, why not use his infinite power to remove the evil from everyone.

Theists then say that God is just and couldn't simply resolve the issue without dispensing justice.

However the question rises, how is God's non action just?
Is it Just to hold the decendants of a criminal to the crime[s] they commited. Or if it is that the nature of criminality is inherited[original sin],
how is an ant, for instance, guilty for his nature? Also, if the decendant doesn't follow their nature, would they then still be automatically guilty of those crimes? I think its obvious to conclude that the alleged actions of God,
are, to say the least, unjust or evil.



The Problem of Explanatory Value
The more complicated something is, the more explanation it needs.

We know the universe exists, and is complicated.

Complicated entities create stuff that is simpler than they are.

If the universe was created, then the creator would have to be more complicated than the universe.

Since the creator is more complicated than the universe, the creator would need more explanation than the simpler universe it created.

This is in contrast with the idea that the universe is self contained, and simpler than a creator of it.

Which means that postulating a creator has a negative explanatory value.

This means, that as an explanation, it has use and must be disregarded.



So, in conclusion, God is either not all powerful, or is not all knowing if he is timeless, and if he isn't timeless, then he couldn't be the creator of time, and if time doesn't need a begining, then what purpose does God have, and finally, God has a negative explanatory value, thus isn't an explanation.

In summery, God probably isn't real, and we're responsible for what we do, to ourselves, and to others.

Don't worry, the world isn't so dark without God, with the light of science, we'll see our way into understanding, and truly learn what the universe has in store for us.

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[MrEmeraldfusion]

God knows before the creation that he would create X knowing in advance X would not worship specifically him and ultimately be sent to hell (Before he was created So what is even the point?

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

@MrEmeraldfusion Freewill cannot be possible if events are set.

If a future event is known with 100% certainty to happen, then that event its set.

[fabioxperuggia]

ok here is an idea... (i dont belive in god btw) god is not evil for not helping humans to live... if he helped us out then (without problems) humans would be stupid creatures without meaning.... so he introduce problems and conflict to us... then we get ideas...motivation...reason to live...and we "become" "perfect" (or at least more usefull and happy)... of course some ppl will have a hard and ugly time... but thats life... if we all were without problems..... we woudnt be happy...

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

@fabioxperuggia "god is not evil for not helping humans to live"

I'm not talking about god helping us to live, rather the design he came up with to begin with.

If he's all powerful, and can create anything, then the question becomes, why would god need humans to have problems, in order for them to not be stupid.

You're running off of how humans are, and treating those as if they are absolute laws of some higher reality.

In fact humans are based on this reality, thus your standard is flawed.

[fabioxperuggia]

@TheReasonWhyGuy no u are getting it wrong.... im just justifying why a posible "god" would make "this" world... look... anything that a "god" would create and give it "intelligence" then at one moment no matter in wich world that creature its living, he will ask himself about existence and meaning of life... so if I am god and created this world... a world at its origings "good" and give people "feee will" then by that standart I cannot take part in the lives of the people of the world...

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

@fabioxperuggia "he will ask himself about existence and meaning of life"

Why is that some requirement of creating intelligent life.

What if knowledge was inserted in the place of needing to ask that question.

What if knowledge in the same way as somethings are inherently known, the answer to these questions were known.

You see, the fundamental issue is, that many problems relating to God, are founded in human arrogance, arrogance in thinking that we know all the ways the universe could be.

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

@bfmv927 "assuming that things cannot create themselves"

STRAWMAN!!!

Philosophically, the question is between about whether the universe was caused by an outside force, or it is eternal. It's possible, that what we see as the beginning of our universe, is just the effect of an eternal existence, which is neither conscious, nor capable of having intent. Thus the word "create", wouldn't apply.

FYI, I usually talk about god in the "less religious" sense.

[GodsArePeopleToo]

'free will' is automatically negated with the phrase 'all are sinners'

the concept that 'all are sinners' means you have no choice to be otherwise. i don't sin, but a christian will insist i do, as if they're omniscient, even though they can't name a single sin committed by me (the fact that atheists CAN'T sin is beside the point here). pffft

[gethsoftware]

@fabioxperuggia "how culd they be happy in the first place" simple. by being happy. if god is allpowerfull he can make eating candy everlasting joy that never gets old. same thing with this. god culd make humans happy without any evil. that what omnipitant means. in the end, if god exists, that god is flawed. but mostliekly, he does not.

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

@fabioxperuggia "in order to feel fullfilled in life we must overcome some problem"

That is only true if god wished it to be true.

If the options are between a world without mass genocide, and a world with it, apparently you believe mass genocide is the moral decision.

[fabioxperuggia]

in order to feel fullfilled in life we must overcome some problem... in order to get creative we must find a problem to resolve...

ok then basically if god makes a "happy" world the people inside this world would be unhappy... or less intelligent.... or boring.....and if they are allways happy ....(they dont know suffering) then how did they know they are happy in the first place? they would ask themselfs....why did god make this world? and we start again....

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

@goldbagel A perfect creation would be without flaws.

A creation which has beings which would choose evil over good is a flawed creation, so long as the creator is good and all knowing.

Oh, and timeless=outside time

Timeless not in the sense that "diamonds are forever", rather being that he lacks the restrictions which time imposes.