Covenants & Catastrophes, Part 1

When Covenants are broken, Catastrophes result. Neal Chase ben Joseph Aghsan, the great-grandson of 'Abdu'l-Baha and current guardian of the Baha'i Faith, speaks about the importance of covenants and the resulting self-imposed catastrophes which result when those covenants are broken. Particular emphasis is placed on the Everlasting Covenant spoken of all throughout the Bible, which is fulfilled and continued in the Baha'i Faith, and the extreme consequence of oncoming thermonuclear war as a result of the rejection of the Covenant of Peace, the Return of Christ and the Kingdom of God on earth.

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[vaja48le]

You are profoundly misinformed. The fact is that the word Ghusn branch is an Arabic word which has been used by Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha to refer exclusively to Baha'u'llah's male descendants. Before Remy's absurd claim, the wisdom of Abdu'l-Baha's statement in the Will and Testament that the Hands 'MUST GIVE THEIR ASSENT TO THE CHOICE OF THE ONE WHOM THE GUARDIAN OF THE CAUSE OF GOD HATH CHOSEN AS HIS SUCCESSOR" was not clear to many.

[adamjacob9]

vaja,

Mason is 'Abdu'l-Baha's son in a straight line of descent from The Master. You have yet to provide any passages to back up your claim that Aghsan refers only to a "blood relative".

Are you going to continue to completely ignore the fact that Shoghi Effendi explained explicitly that this passage DOES NOT mean what you are claiming it does. Do you disagree with Shoghi Effendi in this matter?

Please respond directly to this question.

Thank you

[bigmannn80]

Signed by Mason Remey...

"WHEREAS THE Guardian of the Bahá'í Faith, His Eminence the late Shoghi Effendi Rabbani,

passed away in London (England) on the 4th of November, 1957, without having appointed his successor;"

"Should any, within or without the company of the Hands of the Cause of God disobey and seek division,the wrath of God and His vengeance will be upon him, for he will have caused a breach in the true Faith of God."

(Abdu'l-Baha, The Will and Testament, p. 12)

[agahjoon89]

you are true covenant breakers.

may God lead you to the light.

[vaja48le]

You are a hopeless case.

[adamjacob9]

vaja,

Did you even read Shoghi's explanation of the verse about assent in Baha'i News, Feb. 1955? If you haven't yet, then this line of conversation can't continue until you do.

Also, you haven't yet provided from the Baha'i Writings where Aghsan is defined as a "blood descendant"

Are you able to read the passage cited?

Are you able to write which passages you are citing?

Thank you

[vaja48le]

After Remy's volta face, in switching his position after signing in his own handwriting that their was NO GUARDIAN, his alleged claims and status as Guardian are NULL and VOID because the Hands NEVER gave "THEIR ASSENT" to his claim. No m,atter how many ways you try to argue Remy was NOT a blood descendant (Ghusn) of Baha'u'llah and he never received the assent of the Hands as REQUIORED BY THE WILL AND TESTAMENT.

[adamjacob9]

vaja,

Continuing from my reply to your other comment,

5. Shoghi wrote in Baha'i News, Feb. 1955 about the passage from the W&T about "assent":

"The statement [about assent] in the Will of 'Abdu'l-Bahá does not imply that the Hands of the Cause of God have been given the authority to overrule the Guardian. 'Abdu'l-Bahá could not have provided for a conflict of authority in the Faith."

6. Mason later explained why he initially signed the document, in hopes the Hands would wake up later.

[adamjacob9]

vaja,

1. The W&T says the guardian must choose the "first-born of his lineal descendants", which in Shoghi's case would have been an Afnan.

2. If he has no son of his own, or if he doesn't think his son qualifies, they he MUST choose "another branch [ghusn]"

3. Shoghi defines the Aghsan as "sons" of Baha'u'llah. Nowhere in explicit Baha'i Holy Writ is this term defined as a blood relative.

4. Mason Remey was the legitimate adopted & LEGAL son of 'Abdu'l-Baha.

[vaja48le]

You are in error. Remy's claim is preposterous. It has more holes than a sieve. The Will and Testament states that the Hands of the Cause "must give their assent to the choice of the one whom the Guardian of the Cause of God hath chosen as his successor." Remy had no such assent and in fact was expelled by the Hands after he had signed, along with all of them, a document confirming the Guardian had not appointed a successor.

[vaja48le]

First, the Will and Testament states that the Guardian must choose a lineal descendant from the Aghsans. This means descendants of Baha'u'llah and not someone with no blood relation like Remy. Second, Remy himself signed the document alonf with all the other Hands that there was NO SUCCESSOR to the Guardian. Third, the Will states the Hands "must give their assent to the choice of the one whom the Guardian of the Cause of God has chozsen as his successor." The Hands gave NO SUCH ASSENT to Remy.