Theist Vs Atheist Debate: "Does God Not Exist?" (Part 2/3)

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January 5th, 2003 at Islamic Institute of New York.

First Edition

Tawheed Institute

http://www.tawheed1.org


Read the transcript at http://www.madressa.org

Length: 2 hours 45 minutes

A historic debate between Hassanain Rajabali [Muslim] and Dan Barker [Atheist].

Moderated by Mohamed Athar Lila.

This is a series of events organized by the Tawheed Institute after the September 11 crisis with the aim to foster better understanding between people of different denominations.

Some Quotes:

"Another argument, against the existence of god of course, is the problem of evil: All you have to do is walk into any children's hospital - and you know there is no god. Children are in pain, they are suffering, their parents are desperately praying for god to protect them." - Dan Barker

"We're relative creatures, and that is how we understand things, and we can never have a conception of something that is bad, until we understand what is good. That reality, that co-existence is necessary in this world. If one wants to say that evil should not exist then the earth should not exist. You and I should not exist, trial should not exist, and exam should not exist. Rather we are in a system where we understand that evil is there." - Hassanain Rajabali

"Yes, I am under trial, if I could have stopped September 11, I would have but "God is not under trial." So it is irrelevent to for Him."
- Hassanain Rajabali

"No matter what they [the Atheists] thought of Hassanain's arguments, they all agree that he was pleasant and articulate. He shows a good face of Islam." -Dan Barker, after the debate

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[malsifood]

@truebeliever786

Where in the quran does it say that it is a description?

You cannot find it!

No you are always telling me how you would like it to be!! But Islam is not the way you try to tell me! It is absolute bullshit!

Nobody takes it out of context nor anybody get's it wrong!

The problem of muslims is: They have blind faith in primitiive text! Why? Due to brainwashing!! Scolars do not learn to reason, scolars must copy the arab text of the quran! That is brainwashing!

Shame on you!

[truebeliever786]

@malsifood It is a description, Moses isn't the Prophet of our time, although he was a great man and a great Prophet, he was the Prophet of the Israelites, Mohammad (SAWW) is the Prophet of our time and in His Law, the final Law, it never says to do that...

People who do that are just interpreting the Qur'an to their own desires, that doesn't make the Qur'an wrong, it makes them wrong. There's criminals who interpret all sorts of religious/political texts to their advantage.

[malsifood]

@truebeliever786

Who cares what the bible says? You? I don't believe it!

It is not a description that happened long ago! Otherwise everything in the quran happened long ago (or never happened at all) Khizr is showing Moses how to behave properly!!

However! How come Mulsims kill their daughters it they happen to fall in love with a Kufar boyfriend?

This verse is the explanation for it!

What a bullshit!

You really think the quran is phantastic? It is rather fantastic bullshit!

[truebeliever786]

@malsifood That verse you quoted is about Moses, it describes something that happened a long time ago. Its not a prescription, you'll find the same verse in the Bible too.

DESCRIPTION NOT PRESCRIPTION...

[truebeliever786]

@malsifood Slavery? Was there slavery in Al-Andalus (Islamic Spain)? No...

Peope lived there by trade, work and advancement. In the 10th century there was gas lighting, surgery (which was used until World War 1), advanced architecture, literature, flowing water, sewage system, all of which are modern ideas, yet they were there over 1000 years ago in Muslim lands.

What do you say about that? Oh, that's right. Nothing.

[malsifood]

@truebeliever786

The worst of all animals are those who don't believe! Because you fucking idiots cannot belive that there are people that reject to believe in bullshit!

About the verse: let me copy it directly from the quran: (the young men was slained because) "his parents are true believers, and we feared lest he would grieve them with his rebellion and unbelief", so it is enough to kill your kids if you only fear they would grieve you with unbelief!!! What a bullshit!

Tell me the vers #!

[malsifood]

@truebeliever786

If there has been a Islamic society that has flourished it was based on slavery!

All wars of the reasonable people against the primitive muslim mob was because of piracy and slavery!!

Stelaing things makes you rich but stupid!

[malsifood]

@truebeliever786

Bullshit!!

Mathematics has been invented long before muslism appeared!

And when islam appeared, this knowlege got lost in the islamic world! Nowadays there is no Muslims scientist that discovers anything, because your stupid ideology prevent's you from thinking!

Not even Islamic art exist! The only thing muslims know to do is copy the quran on some buildings, claiming it to be art!

Tell me anything Muslims produce besides camel shit!

[truebeliever786]

@malsifood Western science in the Renaissance was primarily based on Islamic science, that had flourished for 500 years, from 700-1200... Before that Europe was a pile of junkyard shit.

It was only when they used the works of Middle Eastern Muslim scholars, like Geber, Avverores, Ibn Nafis, Avicenna, Al-Biruni and others, that they prospered (Craig A. Locklard, Societies, Networks and Transitions, A Global History Volume 1: To 1500, page 287).

[truebeliever786]

@malsifood No Muslim 1000 years ago?

Man 1000 years ago Europe lived like animals in the Dark Ages, burning witches and killing cats etc...

Muslims, on the other hand, prospered and flourished, they came up with loads of science, maths, architecture, astornomy and medicine in the Middle Ages, while Europe was sunk in the Dark Ages. For Islam the so-called "Dark Ages" of Europe were the Golden Ages...