Calvinism Vs Arminianism - PART TEN

The Rev. Angus Stewart (Calvinist) Debates with Rev. Timothy Ramsay (Arminian)

Calvinism Vs Arminianism Debate Recorded Thursday 2nd October 2008 (World In Focus) Sky TV

Covenant Protestant Church Ballymena Northern Ireland Co.Antrim
http://www.cprf.co.uk

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• Protestant
• Reformed
• Calvinism
• Arminianism
• Debate
• Doctrines
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• Grace
• Angus
• Stewart
• Ballymena
• Northern
• Ireland

[FirebrandNIRE]

*An Note to all Arminian friends*

Christ does does not beg at our hearts door to save us.

He effectually safes us by his Grace without our permission, and therefore does not need us to invite him. THIS IS GRACE- NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!

Do not confuse God's grace!

[FirebrandNIRE]

My friend although you would like it to be this way, God had Planned Judas from eternity past to betray Christ and become the Son Of Perdition. The very Psalms themselves proclaim this very sobering truth. God made him a vessel of destruction to Glorify his own name. And to say he could have thwarted God's external decree in Election and Salvation is Blasphemous

[derek4god777]

The doctrines of Grace are scripture... Cultural studies within the context of scripture show that the words ( All, World and Everyone ) Do not mean every single person or the entire persons of the human race. Israel was the only chosen nation prior to Christ and no one seems to have a problem with that, but when we say that God has elected some for salvation and others for destruction people experience anger because they like a soft gospel ( ROMANS 9) 22, but read the whole chapter!!!!!

[jwgibbons1]

I do believe in the doctrines of grace.... either way you believe this was a great debate full of love for eachother and God.

[Aaron637]

The arminian proponents were terrible. Im was an arminian who became a calvinist by pondering why I came to christ yet oters reject him - concluded grace. I came to this argument wanting to be convinced of arminianism...to escape the thoughts of divine reprobation. Yet I walk away convinced of its truth.It seems arminianism is based on philisophical notions of free will rather than any scriptures. These men were concluding some men are innately good -thats heretical.Need better armian debaters

[rjared]

Hebrews 10:26

tells it all

[therampantscot]

I did enjoy this debate, but it seemed to be more concerned with emails than theology.

[politicaltourist]

@FirebrandNIRE Nowhere did it say that Judas Iscraiot was "elected" to "perform" in the scene that was prophecised many years prior thanks to the grace of the alpha and omega. However, the existence of Satan and his hold on individuals is an axiom so that one of the twelve chose to betray Jesus for silver was not such a far fetched conclusion that required Judas Iscraiot to be stripped of free will and the ability to refuse to serve as a tool of satan

[Shadowlooker12]

@FirebrandNIRE before God then comes in and hardened his heart further, this then does not void free will nor void God's nature, because he will only do things that are just, and making a man do something as such would not be just, unless he would do it anyway. This is foreknowledge, it's the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment. I would say yes your right "God had Planned Judas from eternity past to betray Christ", but only because he already knew Judas in all aspects and action.

[Shadowlooker12]

@FirebrandNIRE An all knowing all powerful righteousness God that can do not do evil or bad, that is God, if God was to make a man sin, or make a man turn from him who would not already do it himself would be unjust. The only reason God would make Judas The son of perdition is if Judas (God being all knowing) would go to hell, never change regardless, so he uses him to glorify his own name because that does not void God's righteousness. Just like the pharaoh, he hardened his own heart 1st>>