Can you tell the difference?? Sacred music vs. secular music at Mass.

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[fool1shmortal]

Thank you! Now, if the Vatican would enforce these great teachings instead of just talking!

[rogue63]

Are these commenters serious? Have these guys read any legislation or instructions on sacred music? First of all, of the seven quotes listed by date, five were written either during or after Vatican II. Do people truly have that much trouble with math? And besides, what does "popular participation" mean, after all? Does the writer mean participatio actuosa, the Latin phrase chosen by the council Fathers? I didn't read "participatio populi" anywhere at all, but perhaps my Latin is rusty.

[CathPresbyter]

@buttercupjag Yes indeed David danced before the presence of the Lord, but as Ecclesiastes tells us "A time for every matter under heaven."(Ecc 3:1) Solomon draws distinctions, between birth & death, killing & healing, weeping & mourning. So with dancing there is its anthesis. "A time to mourn"(Ecc 3:4) followed by dancing. The mass is not the time to dance.  It is the once for all sacrifice of the Cross made present sacramentally. Was St. John or Mary dancing at the foot of the Cross?

[hartleymartin]

@JourneymanAlto - I find what you say to be so true. The biggest advocates of so-called "Youth Music" are rarely young people themselves. In fact, young people will tend to play whatever music that they are told is good for liturgy, and few have any concept of music supporting the liturgy and not just being interludes or entertainment.

[hartleymartin]

@Drasai - And you will find that there are plenty of laity who are sick of poor-quality music and attend masses at Cathedrals, by-passing several parish churches on the way!

The laity play a major role, however they look to the clergy to lead and guide them. Every nation needs its sovereign, every ship has its captain, every team has its leader and every congregation has its priest/pastor to lead and guide.

[hartleymartin]

@fool1shmortal - Chant isn't hard. In fact it is usually the trained musician who finds it hard since they are so used to modern notation that the old square-note style with 4 line stave proves to be a stumbling block. People who have never been trained in music before can usually pick it up quickly enough.

[buttercupjag]

i love the old styles of music what's so wrong with our Caribbean music? it's syncopated and catchy and nobody starts to wine down in church. is it wrong to dance in praise to God?not all parts of the mas are sorrowful. David danced for God why can't we? Praise is praise an God knows our hearts. make a joyful noise unto the Lord whether it be clashing or clanging of symbols whatever happened to that. no one is saying start a heavy metal praise song cuz that doesnt make one at peace but still....

[fool1shmortal]

@JourneymanAlto Oh good! I agree. It'll never be "relevant", because it'll never be as cool, in the secular understanding, as the secular music, except to those who want it to be. Traditional Mass music is powerful. No one thinks the Buddhist chant is 2 old-fashioned 4 today's Buddhists. Outside of Western Buddhist wannabes, I've never heard of Buddhist rock. High church Church of England believers still get a lot that our church leaders threw out decades ago. It's not irrelevant to them.

[JourneymanAlto]

@GuyWhoPrays

Let me tell you about my Life Teen experience. We were out of town, and my 22 year old daughter was the youngest person at the "teen Mass" - mostly 55+ squeaking in under the wire for their Sunday obligation. The "band" was a screechy 50ish lady, an off-duty priest with an out of tune guitar, and an old guy with a grey ponytail and beard and a tambourine. Words to songs were on mimeographed sheets, no music. Rotten old 70s ditties, Kumbaya vintage. Truly AWFUL.

[JourneymanAlto]

@fool1shmortal

Chant too difficult? No! Our choir sings a lot of chant -- straight Gregorian, Gregorian with organum, and Anglican 4-part chant. It's not difficult if properly taught. I had never learned Gregorian or the Solesmes notation before I converted in 2004. Not difficult to learn at all!

I think the Holy Father has the best take on the whole drums-and-guitars nonsense. Commercial music is intended to stir emotions and to SELL, not to worship God.

[fool1shmortal]

Unless you were saying, Journeyman, that chant is too difficult to do and complicates participation. If you go often enough, you get a feel for the rhythm of what you participate in. The Gregorian chant from the choir can be taught. We have an amateur choir, so it's not like going to a concert. It's not perfect.

There are time-honored principles of beauty in art, so validating drums and guitars as part of changes in aesthetics and jazzy music is bad logic.

[fool1shmortal]

@JourneymanAlto Thank you!