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Bmw Sauber F1 vs Porsche 956 Group-C on Nurburgring

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Uploaded by on Feb 16, 2008

心血來潮,將Nurburgring兩個指標性的車輛onboard結合在一起抓對廝殺一番
影片下方車輛為Porsche 956 Group-C,上方則為Bmw Sauber F1
影像的聲音來源是擷取Bmw Sauber F1,956 Group-C則是消音
以影片來看兩者的跑道長度大致應該一致

因為Nurburgring的跑道長度做過許多次的更改
早期規劃有20.832公里,22.810公里,24.433公里,25.378公里
目前的跑道規劃則是20.6公里

雖然影片中所跑的確切長度我不得而知
但youtube影片網中FOKforum網友有提到Bmw Sauber F1跑的是24.433公里舊跑道
藉由直接抓對廝殺的畫面來看,此兩者所跑的跑道長度應該大致相同
【但基本上24.433公里我則不認為,因為若屬實,956以6分41秒上下跑完24.433公里
與最速的6分11.13秒跑完20.832公里。3.6公里的長度差距要以30秒完成
那剩下的3.6公里需要平均高於時速432的速度才能達成,所以這是我質疑的一點】

當然,這些無法與Lauda 和 Bellof跑的時間做比較,因為跑道長度不同

【ps1 : Niki Lauda 跑的是Nordschleife incl. GP track, 22.810km (22.835 km as from 1930)。
在1975年的German GP 以 Ferrari 312 B3跑出6:58.60秒平均時速195.36 km/h的成績】

【ps2 : Stefan Bellof跑的是Old Nordschleife excl. GP Track,20.832km。
在1983年的1000公里大賽,以Porsche 956 Group-C廠車跑出6:11.13秒,平均時速達202.08 km/h的最速成績】

而且Bmw Sauber F1也因為這是示範表演性質
因此在變速箱與性能上有所限制,最高速度限制在275km/h
(ps:這點可由賽道後端的直線尾速上感受得到956確實是比較強悍,追上了好幾秒)

加上兩個直線賽段Nick Heidfeld也刻意讓速度稍微慢了下來
所以基本上Bmw Sauber F1未盡全功,這是比較讓人感到遺憾的地方

但956影片並不是1983年Stefan Bellof開的956最速成績影片
而是在1983年由Derek Bell所駕駛的956 Group-C
Derek Bell駕駛的這輛956與未盡全功的Bmw Sauber F1
在最終直線前的天橋,兩者的秒差相差不到3秒

以956 ~620 PS/860 kg的表現來看,確實讓人眼睛一亮
以利曼賽車規格與F1兩者的實力差距,我想彎道多的賽道F1有利
直線長距離賽道應該兩者可就難說了?

但比較弔詭的是在956的onboard影片中的1分20秒處
竟然出現被Jacky Ickx開同型的956狂巴,再看看其驚人的速度,短短40秒就消失在鏡頭裡
若是以Jacky Ickx該輛956的單圈成績,鐵定將這次示範表演的Bmw Sauber F1巴到沒找
只是,影片看看就好,各項環境因素皆不相同,比較只是參考
歡喜就好

順便整理一下Nurburgring各賽段最速成績與車輛

賽道:Old Nordschleife excl. GP Track, 20.832km;
6:11.13 -- 202.08 km/h -- Porsche 956 / ~ 620 PS/860 kg / Stefan Bellof, 1000 km race 1983 (practice session)
【這應該是最速紀錄,因為平均時速高達202.08km/h】

賽道:Nordschleife excluding GP track, 20.6 kms
6:55* -- 平均時速178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8 / 360 PS/650 kg / Michael Vergers
Race cars:
7:00* -- 平均時速176.25 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR / 450 PS/1100 kg

賽道:Nordschleife incl. shortened GP track / 24.433 km (as used for the VLN long distance championship)
8:10.018 平均時速179.50 km/h -- Alzen Porsche 996 Biturbo / 600 PS /1500 kg in race trim

賽道:Nordschleife incl. GP track / 25.378 km
8:10 --- 平均時速186.45 km/h- Alzen Motorsport 996 Biturbo / 740 PS / official track record

賽道:Nordschleife incl. GP track / 22.810 km (22.835 km as from 1930)
6:58.60平均時速195.36 km/h -- Ferrari 312 B3 / Niki Lauda / German GP 1975

【資料來源不知正不正確,希望有錯請留言訂正,甘溫蛤 】

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  • lol lol lol...

    956 is designed for 24 hours and f1 for just 2 hours ... 956 breaks her ass a thousand times more to f1

  • F1 cars are too technical dese days wat happened to basic overpowered go karts

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  • @hunghuge12 That's what the Sauber engineers estimated if a properly set up F1 car was allowed to do a flat out lap, and I would guess that they know what they're talking about! Besides, why would they lie? There's nothing to be gained from lying about it. Also, given the incredible performance of an F1 car I see no reason why it would not be possible. Sadly, the chances of ever seeing it actually done for real are pretty remote :(

  • @ReclusiveDuck So they think it will take a minute off? I think they're dreaming.

  • I would love to see this done today. R18TDi vs Redbull.

  • This video is a joke. Firstly the footage of the 956 is of Derek Bell who was commentating on a demonstration lap he was doing, he wasn't going flat out (His lap time was only 6m41s) and you can see Ickx overtaking him, Ickx was on a qualifying lap.. The F1 car, driven by Heidfeld, is on very hard demo tyres, max ride height and was limited to 275kph. Sauber engineers estimated that a properly set up F1 car would complete the lap in under 5m18s! A pretty pointless video.

  • @totto210 956 isnt faster than an f1. Cornering braking are no match.

  • @ukrje

    HAHAHAH LOL

    again : THIS VIDEO IS FAIL.

    go sleep uploader

  • this video is fail , -100 stepan bellof (actually record lap, best ever)

    the 956 is 5x faster and durable everyone F1 car....

    go sleep man.

  • Both wonderful machines, but to compare is worse than comparing apples to oranges.

  • @krwl1000 /watch?v=W82DsPkgV-U

  • They are both great cars in there own way and not to be juged . 

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