Calvinist Confusion

I'm weary of the self-contradictory, God-disparaging doctrines of Calvinism and the charges its proponents often bring against those who disagree.

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[Mcfirefly2]

@TCMAO0 " 'freewillism' is a false gospel" It isn't that the freedom to choose is not taught in the Bible; it is just that it is all over the Bible. What about this: "I have set before you death and life; choose ye, therefore, life..." Does that not show us that _God thinks_ we have the freedom to choose? Or is God deceiving us, just taunting us with our "inability?" This teaching that we have no freedom to receive the gospel is what implies and leads to a false gospel.

[pennylaneproductions]

@Mcfirefly2 I talked about this in my 'Did God Lie to Cain' video. Thanks!

[5355vbxjbj76rvn]

If God has condemned some people to eternal damnation even before they are born - which is what the Calvinist doctrine of reprobation teaches - then God is indistinguishable from the devil. He is not righteous, but unrighteous. As the Prophets denounce unrighteousness in His Name, this makes God an arch-hypocrite. If as some say God's righteousness is utterly different from man's, what men denounce when Hitler does it, could be righteous in God's eyes. This amorality is not Biblical :(

[pennylaneproductions]

@5355vbxjbj76rvn And it makes His exhortations a mockery (turn to me, all ye ends of the earth and live...why would you die?) and the statement that he is not willing that any should perish a heresy. Why do calvinists insist He can't be sovereign unless He makes every decision for us?

[dynasue77]

2:15. The proclamation is to repent and believe. Where does it say God extends the salvation to everybody? Are you going to cite John 3:16 or 1st Timothy 2:4, 2nd Peter 3:9 perhaps. I will happily challenge you on all of these passages the universilist loves to cite.

[pennylaneproductions]

@dynasue77

Where does it say God extends the salvation to everybody?

The offer is as universal as the curse according to Ro 5:18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

Now it's true that the phrase 'many' is used elsewhere but it also says 'many' were made sinners when we know it was all.

[Purushadasa]

You have failed to provide evidence for your personal belief that there is someone who never heard about God or never had the chance. What it this alleged person's name? On what date was he allegedly born?

Actually, it's most likely that you simply made up such an imaginary person, and are attempting to foist your belief on the world without any evidence, but the world resists.

Got any evidence for your bizarre personal belief, or did you just make it up?

[Purushadasa]

The reason why the world rejects your wild claim about your imaginary friend who has supposedly never heard of the Gospel is that such a person obviously does not exist. I asked for a name and a birth date, but you failed to provide as much as a single name.

You have failed to provide any evidence at all for your bizarre belief, and so it is obviously just a figment of your imagination -- no person exists who has never heard of the Gospel.

atheist total fail

[pennylaneproductions]

@thetorvasal I think the Bible does teach people know they are rejecting God. Ro 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So are you a Calvinist?

[5355vbxjbj76rvn]

@dynasue77

No quoting from the Bible is needed. Most people have enough of a moral sense to recognise that if God exists at all, He cannot be the moral inferior of human beings. If salvation is offered, it cannot be meant to exclude a single person. Calvin's LimAton is built on his unwillingness for God to be a failure - but Jesus is a failure; His failure is part of the Gospel. God is not "with us" if He does not share our condition in every way, failure included. Crucifixion is just that

[TCMAO0]

Freewillism is a False Gospel ---> youtube.com/watch?v=ChFyB2_XF5­w

[JohnWesleyMethodist]

I tell you Calvinism is so sick! It makes God worse than the devil!!! Heck, it even makes the devil a cosmic fool, because why does he waste his time tempting us if he can't stop us from being saved? People just want to rest on God, and that's why this is doctrine is continually pushed, but an Arminian can rest on God also! It's not contrary to be saved by faith if you are an Arminian.

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!