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Goodness Without God is Good Enough: William Lane Craig vs Paul Kurtz 3/7

A debate between renowned Christian apologist and philosopher William Lane Craig and prominent humanist philosopher Paul Kurtz at Franklin & Marshall College discussing whether God is necessary for...  
 
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Lightmane321 (1 day ago) Show Hide
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While I'm a christian and basically agree with Craig, his statement that 'Gods' moral nature is expressed to us in the form of divine commands' would be a great argument, if ALL of God's commands in the bible were moral.
They're not.
God commanded women to be stoned to death, babies to be murdered. He ordered people to have spears run through them.
If God's commands in the bible were always moral, we probably wouldn't even be having this debate.
Lightmane321 (1 day ago) Show Hide
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outside of that, Craig stated his arguments brilliantly. Kurtz is the by-product of 21st. Century Schizoid Philosophy... prophetic words from King Crimson, if I do say so myself
Forkroute (2 months ago) Show Hide
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lol...he makes atheism as if something is not eternally meaningful...then it ain't meaningful!
our lives are temporary here and earth is, but still we have meaning even if it is temporary.
awesomewelles90 (3 weeks ago) Show Hide
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The point is objectivity not finite nature.
simplic10 (2 weeks ago) Show Hide
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What the divil is objective meaning though? It seems like theists just invented the term to be able to say "our meaning is better than yours."

Why don't we go hog wild and talk about which worldview offers objective beauty, or objective taste in interior decoration?
simplic10 (2 months ago) Show Hide
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I never really got that story. Generally speaking, I'm anti-stoning, but I don't see why being a sinner oneself precludes punishing another sinner.

You can go free, Mr Manson. After all, I once stole a candy bar. Who am I to judge?

(Pardon the sarcasm. It's a family heirloom.)
Christianjr4 (4 months ago) Show Hide
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And I don't care what you think of his Kalam. The point of me bringing it up was to show you that he became academically famous because of it, not because of his "rhetorical devices". In other words, his argument received attention from professional philosophers precisely because of it's substance. If it didn't have some substance than his argument would have been ignored by them

Sorry, but I do actually believe his arguments based on their merits, despite how hard that may be for you to accept
Christianjr4 (4 months ago) Show Hide
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Oh please......as if I base my beliefs on his rhetorical devices. If that were so, then I'd also be an atheist since many atheists (like Dawkins, Hitchens etc) use tons of rhetoric when they speak. And I didn't say others are just as bad. I said Craig is BETTER than most of the others whom I'm guessing you won't equally criticize since you're being a hypocrite and obviously are only interested in picking on the theist.
army103 (4 months ago) Show Hide
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Finally you resorted to personally insulting atheists (and presumably, me). You have clearly learned a lot from Craig.

You're now welcome to the last word; my point has been made.
Christianjr4 (4 months ago) Show Hide
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Where did I insult you? I did no such thing. For all the talk on Craig's supposed arrogance you sure do make a lot of condescending rhetorical remarks. You're being very hypocritical.

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