John Piper from "Desiring God" writes,
"The most agonizing problem about the assurance of salvation is not the problem of whether the objective facts of Christianity are true (God exists, Christ ...
John Piper from "Desiring God" writes,
"The most agonizing problem about the assurance of salvation is not the problem of whether the objective facts of Christianity are true (God exists, Christ is God, Christ died for sinners, Christ rose from the dead, Christ saves forever all who believe, etc.). Those facts are the utterly crucial bedrock of our faith. But the really agonizing problem of assurance is whether I personally am saved by those facts. This boils down to whether I have saving faith. What makes this agonizing - for many in the history of the church and today - is that there are people who think they have saving faith but don't ... So the agonizing question for some is: do I really have saving faith? Is my faith real? Am I self-deceived?" ("The Agonizing Problem of the Assurance of Salvation")
This is absurd. It's like saying that people standing in the light would have an "agonizing problem" because some other people -- in darkness -- thought they were in the light.
RC Sproul from "Ligonier Ministries" agrees with Piper and writes,
"What complicates our quest for the assurance of salvation is we see that there are two categories of people here who are sure that they are in a state of salvation. The only problem is that one of them is, in fact, not in a state of salvation. And so those that are in a state of salvation now have to ask the question, "How can I be sure that my assurance is not like the false assurance of those who think they're being saved but are not?" (Lecture, "False Assurance")
Again, this is ridiculous. So what if a bunch of five year olds thought they were mathematical geniuses after conquering kindergarten maths? Does that mean that a Newton or a Leibniz should doubt they are geniuses because a bunch of naive kids had a false assurance that they were? Does the false assurance and false confidence of the kids pose an "agonizing problem" for the Newtons and Leibnizs of this world? Of course not.
So why do Sproul and Piper say that believers -- who CAN see -- have an "agonizing problem" because some unbelievers (who are blind) think they can see?
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But read the bible and found out before you speak stupidity what menas to be sure of salvation. i thank God for the faith wich makes me a new creature in Christ.
well, your problem is that you think all warnings have to do with salvation from hell. Instead, I can think of other way a warning was issued: 1. Jesus was talking to religious types that thought their righteousness will save them. 2. Jesus was warning believers that backsliding will result in loss of rewards, loss of physical life, etc... But NOT their salvation, which is unmerited, free gift.
ok, loss of reward? or life? what does Jesus mean when He says.."depart from Me you who practice lawlessness"?? were these unregenerate men? or were these saved ones? either way, they are not with Him, just because they professed, and worked in His name, ie, tythe, abstaining from adultery, ect. and if any man, uses this freedom in Christ as a reason to sin? Romans 6 v. 1 and do you believe in "you must be born again!" unless one is born again, he is not saved. are you born again?
question - who from humanity does NOT practice lawlessness? James 2:10 says that if you break one law, you are guilty of breaking ALL of law. Is James a liar?
So, in light of James 2:10, if YOUR performance is going to be evaluated in order to admit you to heaven, how will you get there?
exactly, again, I am not saying that the works, or friut saves you.. I am saying that if the tree is good( born again tree) it will produce good friut.. if the tree is bad( unsaved, unregenerate) the tree will produce bad fruit..
not saying works save!! I am saying, a saved person will have a new nature.. if you are the same person after God saved you, then God didn't save you. this is truth.. He doesn't leave you the way He found you.
the whole nt is a picture of what Christ does with an unregenerate person..
He saves.. and in doing this, fruit will follow.
If you have not the fruit of this salvation.. I tell you, on authority of scripture, that you must examine whether or not you have truly repented, and truly put your faith in Christ.. because all whom He saves, of His seed, birthed into His family, all Christians will have these fruits, some immature, some more mature, but all have His new nature, don't be decieved
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i feel compasion for the guy who made the video he is loosing his time instead of repenting.
1. Jesus was talking to religious types that thought their righteousness will save them.
2. Jesus was warning believers that backsliding will result in loss of rewards, loss of physical life, etc... But NOT their salvation, which is unmerited, free gift.
what does Jesus mean when He says.."depart from Me you who practice lawlessness"??
were these unregenerate men?
or were these saved ones?
either way, they are not with Him, just because they professed, and worked in His name, ie, tythe, abstaining from adultery, ect.
and if any man, uses this freedom in Christ as a reason to sin? Romans 6 v. 1
and do you believe in "you must be born again!"
unless one is born again, he is not saved.
are you born again?
So, in light of James 2:10, if YOUR performance is going to be evaluated in order to admit you to heaven, how will you get there?
not saying works save!!
I am saying, a saved person will have a new nature..
if you are the same person after God saved you, then God didn't save you.
this is truth..
He doesn't leave you the way He found you.
that is a lie.
you are different.
He saves.. and in doing this, fruit will follow.
If you have not the fruit of this salvation..
I tell you, on authority of scripture, that you must examine whether or not you have truly repented, and truly put your faith in Christ.. because all whom He saves, of His seed, birthed into His family, all Christians will have these fruits, some immature, some more mature, but all have His new nature, don't be decieved
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