Work in Progress: Last 60 Minutes of Jean Charles de Menezes

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[Tomst7]

Although regrettable and very sad, I'd rather he was shot and killed than the police risking him being a suicide bomber and trying arrest him; for the greater good.

[documentaryunit]

@Tomst7: Please send us your address. We'll see what we can do.

[apemant]

Yes, well, it was an over-reaction to say the least, but consider the scenario of the latest bombings back then. It's insane how this could happen, I know... But you have to consider both parts. An unforgivable misstake still.

[documentaryunit]

Thanks for your comments. The purpose of this case was to identify if the police had the right procedures in place to deal with the eventuality.

Because we live in a democratic society we have identified the fact that the police DID NOT have the right procedures in place.

If we had not done that, then probably more innocent people wouldn've died as a result.

Interestingly, the real culprits were caught without a single shot being fired. The whole thing of 'Kratos' was total nonsense.

[documentaryunit]

It seems things have got out of hand. Now not even the UK Parliament is sacrosanct and police can walk in and arrest an MP without a warrant. Thank God they didn't shoot him.

[jskc07]

What in God's name were these police men thinking? Is this what this country is coming to, murder, terrorism, execution...all on the strength of a photo? Is this all our intelligence can come up with?

God help all those involved because this man did NOT deserve to meet his death this day, and not in this way either.

My heart goes to his family and friends, I cant imagine what torment they are going through. I dont care that they aren't british they are still human being with human rights.

[newsreeldemocracy]

The recent public enquiry with a jury and a coroner concluded that in all probability the officers who shot him DID NOT shout a warning and that he did not move instants before he was shot.

This enquiry gave the most clear indication that the whole operation was an out of control shambles.

Unfortunately Mr De Menezes paid that shambles with his life. For not fault of his own.

[CheekyPetes1979]

Nice to see the great british public have the luxury of hindsight to make it easy to slag off the police, when those self same critics are no doubt the ones that "Walk on by" take the harry Stanley case, where there has been case after appeal after case after appeal utilising the countries best brains who after 8 years have failed to come to agreement on a decision to firearms office had less than a second to make.Rather than winge offer some solutions you losers.

[TheRevert2islam]

*-+@lcg3092

two important points to consider, why did they not stop him before getting on to the packed bus? surely if they thought he was a suicide bomber they could not take a chance with him going on a bus. Second how do you confuse a white men with a black, a 6 foot skinny black men with a 5 foot 6 inch stocky white guy. the descriptions couldn't be more different if you tried.

[3690dorr]

You take out the theart and thats what they did !

[elmski1987]

@lcg3092 insults? ok?!?

and you can't stun potential suicide bombers because spasming can cause them to detonate any device they may have. the entire point is to completely eliminate any chance of that happening. no matter what alternative you suggest it isn't possible in the case of suicide bombers for that exact reason. all they can do is totally destroy the nervous system, its cold, brutal and lays open the possibility of, as in this case, tragedy. but sadly that is an inescapable fact.

[lcg3092]

@elmski1987 Yes completly lack or rational thought...i mean they did tackle him to the ground, and then shot him (i guess there are other options than asking him if he is a terrorist)

They should only execute a person if they are sure it is a terrorist, if they suspect him they should stop him, stun him, imobilize him...i can't see how they could posibly be sure that Menezes was the terrorist

Just saying the other is stupid doesn't make you right, stick with the arguments and loose the insults

[newsreeldemocracy]

@Tomst7 The whole operation was botched. So we are safer (from the police botchig up procedures) a public enquiry was held in 2009 and the police was found guilty. In 2001 we invaded Afghanistan and in 2003 Iraq. The Menezes killing happend in 2005. Plenty of time for the police to get their terrorist operations up to scratch. In the end they reacted like amateurs..

[elmski1987]

yes, it has been established that the police didn't follow the correct procedures, but frankly, given the atmosphere at the time and the intelligence passed down to the officers on the ground it's understandable.

[elmski1987]

@lcg3092 you simply demonstrate a total lack of rational thought..........

they suspected him of being a suicide bomber, you can't approach them as though they're suspected of shoplifting. "excuse me sir do you mind if i check your bag?"  not really going to work is it? in that situation the only sensible course of action is to completely eliminate any potential threat. no one's denying it was a tragedy but it's a hell of a lot less of one than if they'd been right and done nothing.

[lcg3092]

@elmski1987 Ok, lets do this, i'll get a gun, you'll get a fire hose, i'll shoot you seven times in the head while you try to "shoot" at a fire, then we'll figure out the difference