Newsnight Post Euro-Veto Edition

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The BBC's Newsnight from the 9th of December 2011. The day after David Cameron used the UK's veto to block new regulations on the City of London. The whole episode is dedicated to analysis of what happened and the possible results. Presented by Stephanie Flanders.

02:25 Report from Mark Urban in Brussels

08:34 Interview with David Lidington MP.

14:08 Analysis by Paul Mason.

18:02 Three way interview with Gertrude Tumpel-Gugerell, Shriti Vadera and Mohamed El-Erian.

27:25 David Grossman with an analysis of the effect this may have on the UK's coalition govt.

32:38 A ding-dong between Lord Oakeshott and Bernard Jenkin MP.

Some more interesting reading here in The Economist;
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/12/britain-and-eu-1

One commentator referred to a Guardian poll on UK membership of Europe, which can be read here;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/24/eu-referendum-poll-uk-withdrawal

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News & Politics

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• UK Euro veto
• Europe
• Newsnight
• Paul Mason
• Lord Oakeshott
• Bernard Jenkin MP
• Coalition
• Veto
• European Crisis
• Gertrude Tumpel-Gugerell

[al4484]

That's the best for England what David Cameron did. EU will collapse anyway. Get away from dictatorship.

[levenbrown]

@thefrockdoctrine Merry Christmas frock doctrine ... have a fab day!

[thefrockdoctrine]

@levenbrown Indeed also a worthy question, and merry Christmas.

[levenbrown]

@thefrockdoctrine "The real question is whether you think the British are cohesive enough to get our heads down and deal with it."

With respect that is far from the real question ... the real question surely is; who do we want to be governed by ... people we elect or the unelected, woefully distant, unaccountable european commission?

Your comments are all very well but you are essentially putting a price on democracy and a cost on freedom. I'd like to leave a better legacy to our children.

[levenbrown]

@thefrockdoctrine - there will not be a 'price to pay' ... there may be short term costs but that is an investment in our future as a self determining and independent power that is governed by the people we elect. Not these non entities in brussels most of who have never had a proper job.

Europe will not stop trading with us. The heaven's will not fall and guess what - we get our country and our democracy back - single market yes, run by the EU no ... people who object to that = vested interest

[thefrockdoctrine]

@levenbrown It's not possible for us to see what the consequences of next week will be never mind jumping out of an economic union. You're being deliberately daft if you think there won't be a price to pay. The real question is whether you think the British are cohesive enough to get our heads down and deal with it. And as usual you can't make a civil point, do you have to revert to insults like "piggies and snouts?" Rise above it you hurt your own case with that kind of talk.

[levenbrown]

@thefrockdoctrine - It is possible for us to know beforehand how leaving the EU will effect us ... all you do is cut out the crud from the pro EU piggies with their snouts in the trough and look at what happened to Australia, America, India, Barbados, Canada and many other countries large and small who where told all sorts of scare stories about what would happen to them if they declared independence from a foreign power who imposed taxes and tariffs without the consent of the people ...

[levenbrown]

@thefrockdoctrine There is only one argument that should be given any credence whatsoever scaremongering aside - the vast majority of which comes from those who are pro EU vested interest (no 'proper' I know are in favour of EU membership unless they are 'on the teet') - is; have our courts or parliament lost any of their power or become subservient to EU law since 1975 without the government having our express consent ? - if the answer is Yes then we need a referendum.

[thefrockdoctrine]

@levenbrown I agree one should never make decisions based on the predictions of scare mongers. However, it may be economically disastrous for us to leave Europe. It is impossible to know beforehand. But that in itself is not a reason to stay in because economically we would recover. There is a lot of scare-mongering comes from the anti-Europe side as well. About soviet style dictatorship or new fascism etc etc and a lot of other hot air. More facts less shouting all round suits me.

[thefrockdoctrine]

@levenbrown Okay. Maybe you personally haven't been fooled by Cameron. But a lot of people seem to be falling for his "all things to all men" routine. I'm not trying to downplay the size of the demand for a referendum. I come at from a neutral frame of mind. I would like to see a vote as well but I don't think its a good idea to assume a particular result is a guarantee based on opinion polls. This stuff is a shifting sea of change and uncertainty.