Confused Matthew & SFDebris Discuss Star Trek (2009) 2 of 5

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[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

When having watched Wrath of Khan & Star Trek '09 I kept one thing in mind when comparing Nero & Khan. Madness doesn't make one stupid. In a twisted sense Khan's motivation to hunt down Kirk had some logic, because Kirk was the one responsible for marooning the man on a harsh planet that went downhill and didn't check up on his progress, in the process losing Khan's wife. Khan's motivations had more depth than Nero's when he too loss his wife, except at the hands.. of a natural cosmic disaster.

[1mPeRcEpTiBlE]

Er sorry, I meant earlier it's not their only plan to just destroy one Federation planet at a time. . Don't misunderstand, I wouldn't make the Nexus the focus of the movie! They could just throw in a line about the Nexus with their plans. After all the Nexus involved TOS Kirk's death, Nero could even taunt young kirk about it:

"We're to unleash the same star that killed my family. More so, reward ourselves with the energy ribbon that had a hand in James T. Kirk's death. Timeless Irony"

[ltflak]

I agree, attmepting to give a motivation to Nero and fucking it up pretty much prevented this moving from becoming an epic. Some cheesy 30's sci fi villian would have done a better job as at least evil for evil sake is entertaining to watch!

[DOWSOE]

confusedmatthew and sfdebris ! You guys should write your own scripts for a movie !!!!!! Star Trek needs minds like you !!!!

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

Wrong again. You're just blatently ignoring everything I said, and what the movie told you, from what I can see you're doing it just to be obnoxious and to get your own little way.

[Degobunny]

@TheDarkFrontier yeah hense he did not care abotu the Romanulus which was not his look I said agree to disagree leave at that please.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

Erm, no I'm not. Go back and watch the scene. Pike threatened Romulus with war. Nero said he and Romulus stand apart; therefore his actions do not represent those of the Romulan Empire. I'm taking the information the film is giving me in the context of what is happening in the scene. I'm not taking it out of context and saying; "well he could mean that, but I think it really means this".

[Degobunny]

@TheDarkFrontier and you are interpreting the comment your way. Agree to disagree.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

In regard to Nero and Romulus, note how you said "this indicates to ME", as in, you're just reading into the dialogue whatever you want, and thus taking it out of context. This is not what they were talking about in this scene in the film. At this point in the film, Pike threatened the Romulans with war over the destruction of x amount of starfleet ships and attacking Vulcan. Nero stating they stand apart means he is operating off his own back.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

1.) Movies only have time limits in regard to their budget. This movie could've made more of its time span.

2.) What the hell does that even mean? Of course TWOK was an original film ...

3.) Okay then, Star Trek movies 2,4,6 were all outstanding films, 6 I especially enjoyed. First Contact had some gaping flaws, but very good ideas, Nemesis had some good ideas which were poorly developed. Nemesis was better than this movie was. That is saying something.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@Degobunny

No, he said he and the Empire stand apart because he is acting on his own behalf, and not in the interests of the Romulan Empire. If he did claim that, then there would be a war between the Federation and the Romulans in the 23rd century, something which he would want to avoid. And yeah, so do I, which makes what he is doing stupid. If I was Nero, the FIRST thing I would do was destroy the star that went supernova in the first place. Screw the Kelvin.

[Degobunny]

@royalbuff123 Nero and Spocked created and alternate timeline, the history and going 'back' in time is irrelivant. Think Yesterday's Enterprise.