This is a lecture by Jeffrey Smith, in which he summarizes the contents of this book. It's not only informative, but amusing, because he casts a joke here and there. Part 2 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=710tmYMxsyY
The 2 most recent meta analyses(I can link them if you want) on global yield comparisons between organic and conventional suggest organic yields about 25% less on average. 25% of even the lowest figure I gave is still enough to feed the current world population. The figures I gave are purposely low and they do not account for non-agricultural food(someone with a couple of chickens in their yard or small backyard garden, etc.). So, as far as production goes organic can easily feed the world.
We currently produce enough food to feed beween 9.5 billion and 12 billion people through agriculture. UNEP says if we stopped feeding cattle CEREALS that humans could consume, we could feed 3.5 billion more people. I never said don't feed cattle, I said allow cattle to graze on non-arable land and don't feed them cereals. Hay is not included as cereals humans can consume, so people already feeding cattle hay wouldn't impact that if they continued this. Organic can easily feed the world.
I'll believe that Finland produces 4/5 of its meat. Like I just mentioned my original statement had to do with feeding cattle cereals that humans could consume, so feeding cows hay for example would still provide them food in winter without taking from the cereals humans could consume themselves.
Unless Finnish cows are very different than the rest of the cows used throughout most of the world, they likely produce very little vitamin D in their milk anyway. Many people would have to drink almost 4 gallons of milk(that isn't fortified) to get their daily need. Fortified milk isn't much different than taking supplements, because it has supplements added to the milk.
So now were still allowed to feed the cattle despite the fact it takes up land from your little organic farms that supposedly should feed the whole world?
Even with hunting quotos low, we are talking a small amount of meat here and as I stated before you don't need meat everyday. Also, as I stated pigs for example can be raised on waste. My statement only included the actual cereals we can consume, so people raising cattle who already feed their cattle hay for example would have nothing to worry about.
So we can't just start eating the wild animals either to compensate getting rid of the cattle. Not to mention that we need milk products to get vitamin D in natural form instead of having to use supplements so we need cows. Fish would be a great source of D but it's expensive and if even more people would start using fish... Oh boy, that'd be a problem for everyone else except for the few who've got plenty of money...
I didn't say all hibernate, I said there are many of them that do that just to avoid the winter and its heavy toll on their weight and well being. There are some like reindeer (need help from thee owners), deer (get helped every year), elks (get help but mainly ruin young forests), wolves (gather around human population to get all the waste, attack domestic animals etc), fox (kinda rare)... The thing is that most of them need protection from hunting and the hunting quotas are low.
That means it's pretty much impossible for anything else except for reindeer to get any food wihtout our help and even reindeer need our help every now and then if we don't want them to lose weight and actually offer meat for us.
The 2 most recent meta analyses(I can link them if you want) on global yield comparisons between organic and conventional suggest organic yields about 25% less on average. 25% of even the lowest figure I gave is still enough to feed the current world population. The figures I gave are purposely low and they do not account for non-agricultural food(someone with a couple of chickens in their yard or small backyard garden, etc.). So, as far as production goes organic can easily feed the world.
myndy86 in reply to jokuihmehyyppa (Show the comment) 23 hours ago
Link to this study that states organic farming can feed so many people.
jokuihmehyyppa in reply to myndy86 (Show the comment) 1 day ago
We currently produce enough food to feed beween 9.5 billion and 12 billion people through agriculture. UNEP says if we stopped feeding cattle CEREALS that humans could consume, we could feed 3.5 billion more people. I never said don't feed cattle, I said allow cattle to graze on non-arable land and don't feed them cereals. Hay is not included as cereals humans can consume, so people already feeding cattle hay wouldn't impact that if they continued this. Organic can easily feed the world.
myndy86 in reply to jokuihmehyyppa (Show the comment) 1 day ago
I'll believe that Finland produces 4/5 of its meat. Like I just mentioned my original statement had to do with feeding cattle cereals that humans could consume, so feeding cows hay for example would still provide them food in winter without taking from the cereals humans could consume themselves.
myndy86 in reply to jokuihmehyyppa (Show the comment) 1 day ago
Unless Finnish cows are very different than the rest of the cows used throughout most of the world, they likely produce very little vitamin D in their milk anyway. Many people would have to drink almost 4 gallons of milk(that isn't fortified) to get their daily need. Fortified milk isn't much different than taking supplements, because it has supplements added to the milk.
myndy86 in reply to jokuihmehyyppa (Show the comment) 1 day ago
So now were still allowed to feed the cattle despite the fact it takes up land from your little organic farms that supposedly should feed the whole world?
jokuihmehyyppa in reply to myndy86 (Show the comment) 1 day ago
Even with hunting quotos low, we are talking a small amount of meat here and as I stated before you don't need meat everyday. Also, as I stated pigs for example can be raised on waste. My statement only included the actual cereals we can consume, so people raising cattle who already feed their cattle hay for example would have nothing to worry about.
myndy86 in reply to jokuihmehyyppa (Show the comment) 1 day ago
So we can't just start eating the wild animals either to compensate getting rid of the cattle. Not to mention that we need milk products to get vitamin D in natural form instead of having to use supplements so we need cows. Fish would be a great source of D but it's expensive and if even more people would start using fish... Oh boy, that'd be a problem for everyone else except for the few who've got plenty of money...
jokuihmehyyppa in reply to jokuihmehyyppa (Show the comment) 1 day ago
I didn't say all hibernate, I said there are many of them that do that just to avoid the winter and its heavy toll on their weight and well being. There are some like reindeer (need help from thee owners), deer (get helped every year), elks (get help but mainly ruin young forests), wolves (gather around human population to get all the waste, attack domestic animals etc), fox (kinda rare)... The thing is that most of them need protection from hunting and the hunting quotas are low.
jokuihmehyyppa in reply to myndy86 (Show the comment) 1 day ago
That means it's pretty much impossible for anything else except for reindeer to get any food wihtout our help and even reindeer need our help every now and then if we don't want them to lose weight and actually offer meat for us.
jokuihmehyyppa in reply to jokuihmehyyppa (Show the comment) 1 day ago