Why Aliveness - Matt Thornton

Matt Thornton explains why "aliveness" is so important

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[haircutdeluxe]

The only reason Machida can do what he does is the fact that he has been training BJJ since he was 15, and is a black belt. He also spent a great deal of time in Thailand learning Muay Thai.

The guy is just a different level of fighter as far as I'm concerned, He is so good in the conventional ranges that he can use Shotokan techniques that would definitely put us "normal" humans in danger.

In other words, it's Machida, and his lifetime of training and competition which wins, not Shotokan.

[Jonobos]

additionally, people don't walk around in speedo's 24/7. you can grab peoples clothing in a fight ;)

[giovannito858]

@gbell76 everything you say has been disproven with evidence. and the evidence overwhelmingly favors training with full-resistance. on the street with no rules, i'll take the judoka over a karateka, any day. it's not the techniques, it's the training methods. i studied hapkido. i bought your line for awhile then i woke up and got into bjj and boxing. again, jigoro kano's judo crushed traditional jiujiutsu, the supposedly deadly combat art. you need to think about why that is.

[gbell76]

@giovannito858 Because when we go... we go full tilt and and every strike/technique is executed with the intent to kill/immobilize not just tap... 

[gbell76]

@giovannito858 The Karate person has not trained for the level of athleticism/long term fighting as the BJJ practitioner, and cannot reasonably apply the permanently injuring techniques that he has been taught, therefore he falls into the BJJ practitioners trap (who is going at 100 mph in his discipline btw). That wont happen as much in this modern day. Because authentic Karateka (practitioners) will not get caught up in such fool hearty endeavors.

[gbell76]

@giovannito858 I'll go up against any one of those in the street. And I'll simply say... "You fight your fight according to how you've been trained and your rules, and I'll fight mine" The reason why traditional Jiujitsu was crushed back then is the same reason that you see in these older BJJ vs Karate videos. The training.

[gbell76]

@giovannito858 I'll repeat myself slowly... traditional martial arts in a self defense aspect cannot be practiced in an "aliveness" fashion. So based on your logic, I should actually eye gouge, and fish hook the orbital of my training partner, followed by a shin scrape and a groin twist to "prove" that it could've been done? Nonsense!! I'm not saying that Boxing/BJJ/Mui Thai cannot be effective in the street. But make no mistake... they Are sport.

[gbell76]

@giovannito858 Nonsense you say? I beg to differ. Unlike most people, I have had the misfortune/fortune to use my 18+ years of training in traditional martial arts in the street and in actual life/death situations. I work in security and I love when I see the new guy with cauliflower ear that says that he trains in BJJ try and intervene in one on one or melee type situations. They overwhelming walk away with the most injuries.

[giovannito858]

@gbell76 save that nonsense for people that don't know better. traditional jiujitsu was crushed by judo in the late 19th century and early twentieth century. why? because of the training methods of judo. "aliveness" if you will. the art doesn't matter, the methods do. boxers, wrestlers, muay thai-ists, bjj practitioners, the aforementioned judo have a distinct advantage over traditional styles. namely, full-resistance training. traditional arts amount to no more than self-aggrandizement.

[gbell76]

True self defense martial arts such as Karate or Japanese ju-jitsu cannot be practically taught in an "aliveness " method. If it were there would be no partners to work with. i.e. groin grabs and twists, eye gouges, ridge hand throat chops fish hooks etc, etc. With that being said I can see an area of common ground where you can try and train both.

[grozde]

Funny: demonstrating LACK of "aliveness" in one's own words while talking about 'aliveness"...

[xIegionx]

@haircutdeluxe and his Muay thai