F-22 Raptor: Operational, Relevant, Revolutionary

F-22 Raptor: Operational, Relevant, Revolutionary

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Autos & Vehicles

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• F22
• Raptor
• stealth

[TheHunter222]

Dudes, of course the "flp flops" are not useless in dog fight. They demonstrate F22s outstanding agility which is essential in a fight. Imagine there is someone behind you, you could put your whole surface into the wind use it as an highly effective air break to reduce speed and let the enemy coming right in front of you before he notices whats actually going on. You Americans shuld be proud on your great aircraft!

[BitnikGr]

And all those talks about how "useless" these maneuvers are really sound like envy of defeated, at least to my ears. I won't be surprised if in future US Military Aircraft industry would produce something with same abilities and then they'll suddenly change their words and will present it as new air superiority technology, technics, abilities and how much better (and expensive) they are than any modern opponent.

[BitnikGr]

Of course, as I see it, it is not very good in multiple fighters engagment, because doing flip-flops on spot is not much different from beeing as sitting duck. But in one-on-one situation in very tight dogfight it is priceless.

All modern planes flie fast, all have very good BVR abilities, everyone tries to make its plane more stealthy, and every fighter got a cannon for dogfight. Well, in last it seems that latest Su and MiGs are superior.

[BitnikGr]

... Every fighter is training to use it's advantages and enemy's disadvantages. For example in Vietnam duels of SkyWarriors agains MiGs-15 and -17, they (american pilots) tried always to go vertical or if horizontal turn, then on speeds more than 450mph. In less speeds MiGs had better turn radius.

So, in close dogfight in general it is always an effort to go slower, on edge of stalling, in order to get on enemy's six.

So, the ability to turn on spot, as vertical, as horizontal is VERY valuable.

[BitnikGr]

If you see your own "History channel: Dogfights" or other documentaries about fighter pilots of WW I, WWII, Vietnam, Korea or even if you had player any decent simulator, you would know that all dogfights happens in subsonic speeds. During complex maneuvers as scissors or vertical scissors pilots exchange energy between altitude and airspeed. They try to make tighter turn without stall, or go vertical having more powerful engine and knowing that their enemy will stall first...

[kolesiko181]

то что могут миги и сухие не может больше никто.

[3dimon3]

that missels have russia in early 90 - s - r 73 , now is better r 77 ,78 - can shoot in any angle - like Fire and Forget ;) - nothing new you tell me here

[sakoshooter48]

Actually we did experiment with forward swept wing technologies back in the lat 70's early 80's. The DARPA HiMat program used a modular fuselage design which allowed for aerodynamic add-ons. Swept wings were evaluated and as Americans, Generals traditionally like conventional looking aircraft. Proof of that is in the outcome of the F-22/F-23 flyoffs. The Generals just couldn't warm up to the F-23 and it was stealthier than the F-22. Forward swept wing have advantages, but then again.......

[James60657]

Well the information stated is from Lockheed test pilot. Technology is advanced enough to allow the missiles to do the maneuvering so the pilot does not have to take the G forces. DAS 360 degree targeting allows firing on any plane in any direction. You don't have to point your plane's noise and radar in the direction of the target to shoot it down. I think Stealth was proven in multiple wars the US has been in. Unfortunately the US is the most experienced in warfare and they know how to win.

[3dimon3]

monuvers not for show - in 60s when build planes thinks like you mostly - planese hav grat speed bot not for monuvers - but vietnam war shows too all sides that dog fighting ang goos monuvers a needed - thats why build 4 now 5 generetion planese whith great monuvers and trust vecrtoring engines . You can say about stealth - but its only words - nothing is proof that is realy works