Steven Furtick - What is the purpose of church?
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LIAR!
HE SAYS: "LUKE NINETEEN TEN, SEEK AND SAVE THAT WHICH IS LOST, IT IS THE MISSION OF JESUS, IT IS THE MISSION OF ELEVATION CHURCH!".
THE BIBLE SAY: Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
JESUS ALONE SEEKS OUT AND SAVES THE LOST SHEEP, NOT A MAN, NOT A CHURCH. WE ARE TO DO AS PAUL AND APOLLOS AND PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE, BUT WE MUST KNOW THAT ONLY GOD BRINGS THE INCREASE!
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Pastor, the church is much more than just the ministry you talk about. Maybe you should quit the job of pastor and be a full time evangelist with a ministry.
1Co 12:14-16 "For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? "
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@promisedgrace I think this guy is confusing a particular ministry with the whole church. He should rename his church to the name of a ministry and quit calling it a church. The church is so much more than any particular ministry.
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The church doesn't exist to evangelize the lost. The church (the called out ones) exist to encourage, exhort and equip the saints for the ministry. I think you have it backwards. In fact, the church is not the building but the people of God. This same speech could have been given at an Amway event on "Why Amway Exist". Not to sell soap but to get other people into Amway so they can sell soap. I see your determination but maybe you got it backwards my friend.
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@PENTECOSTALheresy They did talk like this.
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It is quite sad that most ministries wrap the Scriptures around their own vain philosophies, instead of wrapping their philosophies around the Scriptures. Our beloved brother Paul warned Timothy that in latter times, including today, the people would not endure sound doctrine, but after their own desires would appoint teachers that would satisfy their tickling ears. Churches use worldly methods to bring unbelievers in, and play games instead of preach God's word, that is so sad indeed.
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He contradicted himself a little. (paraphrased) He said if you were a believer or newly saved this church is not for you. . .then he goes to say we save you and train you up to proclaim the gospel.
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The fundamental thing in a church is that it focuses on what pleases God, not the unbeliever. Its base and foundation is the Word of God. Never EVER is the church supposed to be shaped and formed around the unbeliever. The church is the gathering of believers for the preaching and teaching of the Word of God, fellowship, communion and prayer together (cf. Acts 2:42). In no way, shape, or form am I trying to say that evangelism is not important but the church IS for the believer!
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To be fair to Pastor Steven (PS I do not, nor have I ever attended Elevation Church) He has changed his view on this subject very much. And If I am not mistaken this sermon was from several years ago. check him out in The Elephant Room. He responds to this question. I am not a huge Furtick fan but I do believe that he is a man of God. He has a lot of growing up to do spiritually but he is listening and being mentored by the right people, like James MacDonald and Mark Driscoll. Praying for him.
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He claims that the church is no longer for you even if you got daved last week. So whgat was the point of Paul writing to the church to encourage them as a body of believers??? Doesn't make sense he just will end up with a huge church of people who will never grow spritiually as they are always being bullied to recruitng more soldiers for the army.
The wolves are getting clever. Imagine Jesus or Paul talking like this.
PENTECOSTALheresy 5 months ago 6
Jesus said, if you follow me i will make you fishers of men. if you are not fishing then you are not following
cbrianclark 10 months ago 6