20 LPM Hydrogen Injection

A test drive with a flow rate of 20 liters per minute. This should blow the doors off my MPG!

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• HHO
• Hydrogen
• MPG
• Test
• Drive
• Fuel
• Economy

[IsItTrue99]

great effort really like this video. Ive never done it but I think the burn rate of hydrogen is so fast that you need to adjust the ingnition timming to after top dead certer. Otherwise the hydrogen burns so quick I think it puts back preassure on the crank. But Im not sure what effect this would have on the motor running without hydrogen. I imagin it would run rough?

[paul84838]

@IsItTrue99 You are absolutely correct. My experiments were driven to only add HH or HHO to an existing engine setup. The whole idea for me was to increase MPG in today's vehicles. I found that in order to continue with the experiments I would have to modify the existing engine setup--this would complicate the on/off use of HH or HHO. I was not willing to do this. I will however, resume experiments at a later date to include any adjustments including computer, 02 sensors, timing etc.

[wingnut4427]

You'll get better results in a 4 cylinder vehicle. This guy on here John Arons has managed to get his Toyota Corolla running on pure HHO alone. Try using a pulse width modulator with your system. You may get better results.

[paul84838]

@wingnut4427 I know John Aarons. We've talked on the phone. He does not run his 4cyl on 100% HHO, nor would he want anyone to think that. John is a great guy with an amazing desire to tinker and he's very honest and straight forward with his disclaimers.

[wingnut4427]

@paul84838 I sent him a question once but He never got back to me on it. Perhaps you could answer it. Considering the molecular make up of Hydrogen peroxide. Could you actually get a higher output of gas from it? HH OO ??

[paul84838]

@wingnut4427 I would say that any peroxide used would take up the space that water would yield in the way of HHO. I haven't tried the mix and would doubt any real outcome would warrant the effort.

[a1mint]

@davenportmt The only difference in gas mileage can *only* be due to wishful driving.

You keep on missing the fact that you can not create or destroy energy.

You're saying that "10 amps" does not take a lot of energy away from the car. It takes whatever energy away from the car required to make that energy that you're taking away + overhead in heat losses due to the conversion process.

There, by definition, simply can NOT be any "gain" in any shape or form, it isn't possible.

[a1mint]

@davenportmt All you are saying is how you "like" something. That isn't scientific, and it doesn't prove that you can break the laws of nature.

The laws of nature dictate that you can not create or destroy energy. You can only convert it.

Hydrogen does not naturally occur on earth. You can create it by splitting water 2(H2O) into 2H2+O2, but that takes more energy than you get back from it by burning the hydrogen (which is combining with oxygen).

HHO is a scam.

[SupperStu72]

Dude. Really!!! Didn't you over ride your O2 sensor. As the hho cleans and purifies the burn in the combustion chamber the O2 sensor calls for more fuel. If you don't override the O2 sensor. The hho is counter productive. You don't seem to have a clue.

You need to do your test on an old car berated engine. Like a 1972 ford. Then you'll get the results your looking for.

[terrymccurter]

@IsItTrue99 You are correct about the timing your are making the eng run backwards a little so you loose any gain you would have had . Hydrogen is light it also depends on where you put your hydrogen into the intake manifold remember hydrogen is a light gas that floats up

[lynel1985]

@davenportmt i will also note that toyota also offer a corolla 1.6L ICE car. It gets .1L per 100Km worse fuel effieciency then a prius. It costs 12 thousand less then a prius. @todays fuel cost in AUS its nearly 20 years of driving before the prius would have been a better option to your hip pocket (if you use average kms/year of 20ooo) Its yet to be seen if a prius will last 400oookm but corollas have been knwn to make it.

[lynel1985]

@davenportmt also how are you comparing the difference at the pump? @ the heart of it a prius is a 1.5L ICE with an electric motor. Compared to any car with a >2.0L capacity its going to be better at the pump. Thats a given. The reason they see better MPG (and this is negligable: more on this later) is electrical motors are in the range of 80% efficieny where as ICE are 30% maybe) alternators are around 70% efficient. So getting driven by an eletric motor uses less total energy

[lynel1985]

@davenportmt if you dont already know why hho in its current form (being created at less then 100% faraday (efficient)) then you wont understand what i say. You need to understand the deficiences in a on demand hho system. I believe it can be made to work we just havent figured it out yet. Hybrids (like the prius) should not be seen as fuel effienct cars (which they are but no the best: honda insight 1996) they are just greener cars for emissions (post production)

[davenportmt]

@lynel1985

@a1mint ok tell me this, and cost isnt an issue, how to hybrids work? becuase if you cant create or destroy energy then why do you see an improvement at the pump? because some have the option not to charge at the wall, where the motor can just charge the batteries. i dont see why with the right tuning and mods the HHO systems wouldnt work? because to me its the same principal, its just converting energy to be used or burned in different forms. 

[lynel1985]

@davenportmt will also mention that the alternator is rated at peak output, it does not produce 110amps all day everyday while the car is running, but can produce 110amps if the draw is there at a cost to extra engine labour

[oBseSsIoNPC]

@MrReworx I agree, the ECU does not comprehend a gas injected compared to the gasoline. Volume, combustion and efficiency is very different. Them milage computers are not calibrated for HHO. Smart man

[umustwantme]

Ok,.. You have a V-10 Ford truck (not cheap) yet live in a trailer park in more than likely a home that cost less than your truck, and your trying to spend a bunch of money to save gas money in this truck.. Can we say priority issues?

[VonBraun87545]

...also, Hydrogen can be extracted from water very efficiently by vibrating the water at 923 Hz while electralysis is occuring. Modulate the 923 Hz at a high output which takes very little energy. 55 LPMs takes 55 amps in a very efficient regular electralysis method but 55 LPMs takes only 8 amps when adding the very strong 923 Hz to coils placed within the dry cell.