The Laws of Logic

http://www.cmfnow.com - This is a clip between Dr. Greg Bahnsen (Christian) and Dr. Gordon Stein (atheist). Here's the transcript:

Dr. Bahnsen: All right. I heard you mention logical binds and logical self-contradictions in your speech. You did say that?

Dr. Stein: I used that phrase, yes.

Dr. Bahnsen: Do you believe there are laws of logic, then?

Dr. Stein: Absolutely.

Dr. Bahnsen: Are they universal?

Dr. Stein: They're agreed upon by human beings. They aren't laws that exist out in nature. They're consensual.

Dr. Bahnsen: Are they simply conventions, then?

Dr. Stein: They are conventions, but they are conventions that are self-verifying.

Dr. Bahnsen: Are they sociological laws or laws of thought?

Dr. Stein: They are laws of thought which are interpreted by men and promulgated by men

Dr. Bahnsen: Are they material in nature?

Dr. Stein: How can a law be material?

Dr. Bahnsen: That's a question I am going to ask you. Thank you!

Dr. Stein: I would say no

[MODERATOR: Dr. Stein, you now have an opportunity to cross-examine Dr. Bahnsen]

Dr. Stein: Dr. Bahnsen, would you call God material or immaterial?

Dr. Bahnsen: Immaterial.

Dr. Stein: What is something that is immaterial?

Dr. Bahnsen: Something not extended in space.

Dr. Stein: Can you give me an example of anything other than God that is immaterial?

Dr. Bahnsen: The laws of logic.

[AUDIENCE: (laughter and applause)]

[MODERATOR: Can I ask you to hold that down please?]

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