Riz Khan - Obama's cross-straits conundrum - 17 Nov 09 - Pt 2

Have warming ties between China and taiwan created a dilemma for US-China relations?

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[betalover1]

Taiwan cannot escape economic dependence from the mainland no matter what it does.

Taiwan can diversify its markets, but not its energy source. Mere threats on its energy source will cause doubts in its viability.

The mainlands advantages over Taiwan will be so complete that no matter what Taiwan does, how well it knows want the mainland plan is, and how much time it has to parry it, there will still be no hope.

The mainland's advantages will be compelling, absolutely.

[betalover1]

Taiwan cannot hope for both peace and indefinite status quo, let alone independence.

If Taiwan really want to be independent, it must choose war. The only way Taiwan can have independence is by the mainland losing a big war and the world giving up hope on China.

The status quo cannot be maintained indefinitely. Taiwans economy will eventually wilt if there is no agreement with the mainland. The business community must believe Taiwan is viable, with energy supply indefinitely.

[betalover1]

Yang should know what the realistic goal of Taiwan ought to be: to delay inevitable reunification. It is to be a special part of China. This is the best for Taiwan's democracy and economy.

As an island Taiwan is very vulnerable to the threat or actuality of attrition. Status quo cannot be maintained indefinitely. The Taiwan economy WILL be controlled by the mainland. This cannot be prevented.

Taiwan's objective should be to exist as a robust special part of China, in 20-40 years.

[mispistoleros]

(and then also the CCP) accepted, from 1911 through 1942, that Taiwan was not part of China, that Taiwanese should fight a national liberation movement against Showa era imperial Japan. Chinese today are not taught about the actual history of Taiwan and its relations with imperial dynasties, the ROC and the CCP. They have no idea how recently invented is the CCP fiction that Taiwan has always been part of China.

[mispistoleros]

Its armies more than doubled the territory that had been previously controlled by the Sincized Ming empire that the non-Han Manchus had replaced in the 17 th century. Modern Chinese Han nationalism silently lays claim to the conquered territories of that recent expansionist Manchu empire. It is an imperial nationalism presented in a discourse of anti-imperialism.

Given the mutability of Chinese nationalisms territorial claims, it should not come as a surprise that the Republic of China (ROC)

[mispistoleros]

Testimony of Professor Edward Friedman to the United States China Commission,

Washington D.C., April 14, 2005

Chinese Nationalism and American Policy

In the Mao era, Mao sought to restore Chinese glory and negate the previous century of humiliations, a political category invented to hide the fact that the Manchu empire (Qing dynasty), which fell only in 1911, actually was one of the most territorially aggrandizing gunpowder empires in human history.

[mispistoleros]

antiwar, while you are correct about asking latinos and saudis about the u.s. (you can add vietnamese, cambodians, iraqis and palestinians to that list), mr yang is correct; the u.s. enjoys a tradition of freedom, democratic elections, an independent judiciary and human rights.

just asked the latinos and saudis: if forced to relocate, which would they choose, china or u.s.a.? the fact that millions of chinese and latinos have poured into the u.s., legally and illegally, should give you a hint.

[antiwarcampaigner]

The closing comments by Mr Yang about the US being a free and democractic nation with values of human rights and freedom devalued his earlier views because anyone who believes that the US believes in human rights and freedoms is clearly greatly misreading the nature of the US. The US is no more interested in human rights than China! Ask anyone from Latin American outside of columbia and especially ask those who live in saudi arabia or anyother middle east ally nation!